What vow CAN'T apply to SSPX?

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reggieM said:
“Of course, believing that one can separate from the Pope simply because they don’t like an official liturgical rite is a profound error. Fr. Peter Scott, SSPX has said and argued that the New Mass is “intrinsically evil”. He has never been corrected by his superiors for that. That is also a profound error.”

i’ve never heard any bishop or priest i’ve met say that the NO is “intrinsicly evil” as matter of fact, our priest states that the NO is valid. i’ve never heard it said that that was the reason why they separated from the pope.

"Confecting the sacraments outside the jurisdiction of Rome is a terrible error. Pope John Paul II called it a schismatic act – and it carried automatic excommunication. "

take a look at the post below:

We take care of those who did not wish to follow Archbishop Lefebvre – which is not exactly a schism

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=132126

please read the entire OP’s post.

“How is that not an error of traditionalism? Are we justified to break with the Holy See simply because we think we’re better than everyone else is, just as the SSPX does?”

the SSPX never stated they were “better than everyone else is”.

"The heat that I’m getting from this discussion so far proves to me that many so-called traditionalists are living in an illusion and they’ve been deceived. They buy into a dishonest presentation of the correctness of the SSPX. They separate from “Novus Ordo Catholics”.

iam not decieved. believe me. the Mass of All time is not incorrect. what is wrong with preserving that Mass?

“The proof? Why don’t they reconcile with Rome like the FSSP? On what basis do they perpetuate their schism?”

the reconciliation will happen. its a matter of time before it happens. but it will happen. pray for it to happen because i do. and so do alot of others i know, whether they are a laity of the SSPX or not.

“If you can’t answer that, then that’s a major problem – and yes, an effect of traditionalist errors”

answered to the best of my abilities.
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🙂 Yo, good people!

I DO apologize: I’ve been off-line attenidng to so-called real-world issues these past few days, but now I’ve had the chance to catch up on all you alls’ postings on this thread, at least.

Three broad points:

POVERTY!

Whoever said “poverty” sounds like that’s the person with the right answer. I couldn’t be sure before but now I can,** I guess it’s what they call “association!”**😃

OBEDIENCE!

“Somebody” mentioned at the bottom of her-his excellent post the Latin prayers said by the SSPX for the Pope.

Sorry!

Ask any full-time palace guard as to whether this is set in concrete:😉

If the SSPX religious brother leading those evening prayers choses to do so, the reference to the Pope is simply deleted. Period.

You don’t have to know Latin to tell when it has been omitted, you just have to have at least 1 independent witness who does.

It’s like this: out of boredom I once had a running bet with one of the lay choir directors as to what would be the protocal on any given night according to the level of outright anti-Papal hostility there was in whatever brother was do to be in charge at that particular moment.

Her ears were sharper than mine, so she won by at least a slim margin.

It didn’t particularly affect her one way or the other, as she put Pope John Paul II on about the same par as she did Mother Teresa of Calcutta.

GOOD PRIESTS IN THE SSPX

You bet there are! Really superb ones. But so what? It’s just one of those historical oddities so thoroughly covered by Bishop Jacques Fournier (the future Benedict XII and author of Benedictus Deus) regarding the Albigensians at Montaillous 700 years ago.

As Emanuelle Le Roy Ladurie points out: there was a lot of overlap between really conservative orthodox Catholics who believed in the Incarnation and the Cathars who didn’t.

“Despite doctrinal differences, there was no absolute contradiction between the views of the Cathars and the almost equally radical views entertained by certain people who remained Christian in the orthodox sense of the word.”

Thanks everybody, hope this helps!

Aurelio:thumbsup:
 
Caesar said:
Unless you look hard, you will not notice any differance between those CAF members who attend SSPX chapels and those who go to the indults.
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The major difference is that one is in schism and not obedient to his local Ordinary, while the other is obedient to the local Ordinary and in full communion with the universal Church.

The one who is not in schism does not have authority from his Bishop to be a confessor (confessions are invalid), nor to convoke marriages as these sacraments are matters of jurisdiction.
 
Unfinished said:
The ERRORS of traditionalism? Errors? Now our own tradition is an error?
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SSPX is not our tradition, they’re their own for they have their own leaders not in communion with the universal Church.
 
Semper_Fi said:
SSPX is not our tradition, they’re their own for they have their own leaders not in communion with the universal Church.
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They are not in full communion with Rome, which is quite differant then saying they are not Catholic.
 
They’re excommunicated Catholics (certainly in the Diocese of Lincoln as are their bishops). We normally wouldn’t apply the term Catholic without a qualifer to people who are separated from Rome through disobedience.
 
Semper_Fi said:
SSPX is not our tradition, they’re their own for they have their own leaders not in communion with the universal Church.
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The SSPX is our tradition. Or, they are what we all used to be. (Except for the seperation).

Regardless of the status of the SSPX, reggieM has said twice on this thread that traditionalism itself is an error. I would like him to clarify.

I would also direct everyone’s attention to Domus Dei.

domusdei.org/

The first article on the blog for today is titled “The SSPX.” I suggest everyone read it.
 
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