What was Mary thinking when the angel asked her to be the mother of God?

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Being the mother of the messiah had certain cultural and religious implications. While Mary was on earth, what did it mean to any Jewish woman (or girl) to be the mother of the messiah? What implications did Mary need to think through before she said yes?
 
Being the mother of the messiah had certain cultural and religious implications. While Mary was on earth, what did it mean to any Jewish woman (or girl) to be the mother of the messiah? What implications did Mary need to think through before she said yes?
Sinless Mary was so obedient to the angel’s message, that the only question on her mind was “How can this be since I have no relations with a man?”
 
Being the mother of the messiah had certain cultural and religious implications. While Mary was on earth, what did it mean to any Jewish woman (or girl) to be the mother of the messiah? What implications did Mary need to think through before she said yes?
Mary was the handmaid of he Lord, as she , herself, proclaimed when she recited The Magnificat. “My soul proclaims the greatness of the Lord, my spirit rejoices in God, my Savior, for He has looked with favor on His lowly servant. From this day all generations shall call me blessed. The Almighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name.” It must have taken a while to sink in just what was happening, but whatever the consequences, she would say yes to God without hesitation.
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It’s hard to know what was going through her mind at that time.

We know she pondered the greeting and what it meant (“Hail full of grace”). This was not a typical greeting - more of a greeting for royalty.

She probably also wondered who this angel was - was it a man? was it an angel?

I bet lots of things were going through her head. Confusion, fear, should she flee?

Remember no matter how close you are to God, we are still human and are subject to human fears and weaknesses. (think of Peter denying Christ 3 times because of fear for his own life). It takes an act of the will to overcome these.

Then when the angel told her what God wanted, she must have tried to figure out if this was all real and true. And then we know that she asked how it was possible since she had not been with a man?

Once it was all laid out for her, she must have thought about many things. Joseph - what would his reaction be? What would other people’s reaction be? Questions she could not know the answers to.

So, finally she placed herself entirely in God’s hands -“Be it done to me according to thy word.” Ultimate and total trust in God.
 
It’s hard to know what was going through her mind at that time.

We know she pondered the greeting and what it meant (“Hail full of grace”). This was not a typical greeting - more of a greeting for royalty.

She probably also wondered who this angel was - was it a man? was it an angel?

I bet lots of things were going through her head. Confusion, fear, should she flee?

Remember no matter how close you are to God, we are still human and are subject to human fears and weaknesses. (think of Peter denying Christ 3 times because of fear for his own life). It takes an act of the will to overcome these.

Then when the angel told her what God wanted, she must have tried to figure out if this was all real and true. And then we know that she asked how it was possible since she had not been with a man?

Once it was all laid out for her, she must have thought about many things. Joseph - what would his reaction be? What would other people’s reaction be? Questions she could not know the answers to.

So, finally she placed herself entirely in God’s hands -“Be it done to me according to thy word.” Ultimate and total trust in God.
“Full of Grace” was not a royal greeting. It meant that her soul was pure – she was not stained with sin, even Original Sin.
 
Mary came from a very religious family and was well aware of the prophecies. The Jews knew that the Messiah would be born of a virgin from her line. Not that it wasn’t a surprise actually more of a shock.

I also think this might not have been the first time the angel was sent to Mary. When you consider all the other appariations, it is usally awhile before something is asked of the person.

I think she was given time to think on what will happen to her baby. The prophecies told He would be killed. When she was willing to accept all, she conceived.
 
“Full of Grace” was not a royal greeting. It meant that her soul was pure – she was not stained with sin, even Original Sin.
“Hail” was a greeting reserved for leaders - kings, queens, emperors, pharoahs, commanders of armies, etc.

-Tim-
 
Ok. What were the implications of being the mother of the messiah? Did she think “I’m going to become the queen of Israel”? I wish one of the bible scholars had some (name removed by moderator)ut on this.
 
Ok. What were the implications of being the mother of the messiah? Did she think “I’m going to become the queen of Israel”? I wish one of the bible scholars had some (name removed by moderator)ut on this.
No, I don’t think she thought she’d be an earthly queen. I think from the prophecies she could deduce that the Messiah would die a hard death. I think that would be the thing that would be difficult for her to overcome…the knowledge that He would die.

I feel that the angel told her more about what her life would be like here on earth. Some things were just for her to know and not us.
 
I guess what I’m trying to get at is: What could she think about based on the prophesies from the Old Testament (I know- to her they were just the Scriptures.)
 
I guess what I’m trying to get at is: What could she think about based on the prophesies from the Old Testament (I know- to her they were just the Scriptures.)
She knew she was being elevated to a singlular position in all of humanity.

For he has looked upon his handmaid’s lowliness;
behold, from now on will all ages call me blessed.
The Mighty One has done great things for me,
and holy is his name
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(Luke 1:48-49)


-Tim-
 
She knew she was being elevated to a singlular position in all of humanity.

For he has looked upon his handmaid’s lowliness;
behold, from now on will all ages call me blessed.
The Mighty One has done great things for me,
and holy is his name
.
(Luke 1:48-49)

-Tim-
Tim: She prayed the exaltation to God after at least three months of reflection. At the moment she was queried by the angel, what can we know that she rationally was able to think? What had she learned through her study of the Scriptures and by the teaching of her parents and her community?
 
Tim: She prayed the exaltation to God after at least three months of reflection. At the moment she was queried by the angel, what can we know that she rationally was able to think? What had she learned through her study of the Scriptures and by the teaching of her parents and her community?
Mary would have been taught all of Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jerimiah and Daniel. She would have heard the law and the prophets for hours in the Synagogue on the Sabbath and she would have been taught it as a child. She would have been taught to read and write from the book of Leviticus, and from the Holy Scriptures and from the Law of Moses in the first five books of the Bible.

Mary would have understood that the Messiah would be the new Moses, who would institute a new Exodus which would include a return of the manna from heaven. The new Exodus would literally transform the earth into a new and shining temple - a Heavenly Jerusalem - where God would dwell with men, just as he did with Adam and Eve before the fall. And there would be a covenant which would fulfill God’s promise of everlasting peace.

I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them. I will multiply them and put my sanctuary among them forever. My dwelling shall be with them; I will be their God, and they will be my people. Then the nations shall know that I, the LORD, make Israel holy, by putting my sanctuary among them forever. (Ezekiel 37:26-28)

She would have known that the Messiah would free people from captivity, free the Israelites and all gentiles from captivity and slavery.

***Speak to the heart of Jerusalem, and proclaim to her
that her service has ended,
**(Isaiah 40:2)

**To open the eyes of the blind,
to bring out prisoners from confinement,
and from the dungeon, those who live in darkness.
*(Isaiah 42:7)

That the messiah would wipe away every tear, that there would be great joy.

He will destroy death forever.
The Lord GOD will wipe away
the tears from all faces;
The reproach of his people he will remove
from the whole earth; for the LORD has spoken.
(Isaiah 25:8)


And she would have understood that the Messiah would destroy death. She would have understood that through her Son the Messiah, we would be able to live forever.

-Tim-
 
thank you. this is the approach that I was looking for. you did a fine job of explaining what she could have been thinking about. i appreciate your effort. thank you.
 
thank you. this is the approach that I was looking for. you did a fine job of explaining what she could have been thinking about. i appreciate your effort. thank you.
I hesitated because the subject is so big.

One could start at Genesis 1 and work through the whole Old Testament, finding all the prophecies about the Messiah and the fullfillment of the Davidic Kingdom, and Mary might or might not have been taught most, or even all of it.

And the OT is a Jewish book. It is Hebrew storytelling and Hebrew poetry. We have to understand, as you have so rightly pointed out in your first post, the cultural implications of what the texts mean. Your observation there is very insightful, and spot on. We have to read the scriptures through the eyes of a Jew, thinking like a Jew in the first century.

Even the word “Redemption” has a meaning we have lost, because we no longer understand what it means to be redeemed from a debtor’s prison and thereby become a slave or a servant of the one who redeemed us.

There were also various sects, each of which believed different things, similar to today’s denominations. The Sadduces for example, rejected all but the first five books of the Bible.

My point is that it is extremely difficult to know what she would have understood with any certainty, but one thing is absolutely crystal clear to me - her trust in God was several orders of magnituted more valuable than her understanding.

How can this be?

I can see my Holy Mother, my Queen and my Empress Mary shaking her head, not in disbelief, but perplexed, struggling to understand. She is told by the angel that God himself will make it happen, and that, "the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God", and not only that, but that her barren and elderly cousin had conceieved. She travels with haste to her cousin, and when greeted, the lack of understanding she carried on that journey pours forth in the Magnificat.

My soul proclaims the greatness of the Lord,
my spirit rejoices in God my Savior
for he has looked with favor on his lowly servant.
From this day all generations will call me blessed:
the Almighty has done great things for me,
and holy is his Name.
He has mercy on those who fear him
in every generation.
He has shown the strength of his arm,
he has scattered the proud in their conceit.
He has cast down the mighty from their thrones,
and has lifted up the lowly.
He has filled the hungry with good things,
and the rich he has sent away empty.
He has come to the help of his servant Israel
for he has remembered his promise of mercy,
the promise he made to our fathers,
to Abraham and his children for ever.

(Luke 1:46-55)


Mary pours out the Magnificat, in the realization that what had been promised to Israel for so long had become reality, in the realization that, as Blessed Pope John Paul II put it, “The whole salvific economy was concentrated inside of her.”

That Mary knew and understood the scriptures is beyond a shadow of a doubt. Read 1 Samuel 2:1-11. It gives me a lump in my throat to read it.

Mary may not have fully understood at the annunciation, asking, “How can this be?”, but she trusted. That’s the lesson I want to learn, that while the whole world struggles to understand, Mary didn’t worry about that, but trusted instead, and the savior and redeemer of creation was born of her trust.

That’s what I want, to trust God, just like Mary.

-Tim-
 
Tim:
This is getting even better. You are good at this. I’m glad I know which books belong in the OT and NT. I’m glad that I know the major characters of the Bible and a little something about them. Thanks again for your contribution to this discussion thread.
Anthony
 
Tim:
This is getting even better. You are good at this. I’m glad I know which books belong in the OT and NT. I’m glad that I know the major characters of the Bible and a little something about them. Thanks again for your contribution to this discussion thread.
Anthony
Thank you for the kind words. I have to confess that Mary is the second greatest love of my life, and I am consecrated to Mary.

If you have the chance, I recommend getting into “The Bible Timeline” Bible study by Great Adventure/Jeff Cavins. Our parish purchased the DVD’s (they are epxensive) and the individual students buy the workbooks. I’m facilitating this study for a second time in my home.

Again, your observation about the cultural implications of the scriptures is so imporant, and something that many miss. Scripture is often interpreted in light of modern culture, not the culture of the first century Jew. Religious practices, culture, economy, military practices - much of what was written is comprehensible only when we understand the culture and lives of the authors and those who wrote.

I’ll leave you with one example which opened my eyes.

It was explained to me that the City of Phillipi was, for all intents and purposes, a Roman military retirement community. It was named after Phillip the Great, the father of Alexander the Great. The Roman military retirees who lived there were very disciplined, honorable and understood the value of shared sacrifice in order to achieve a greater goal. The Roman converts Christianized those values and St. Paul loved them dearly. He visited the city on all three of his apostolic journeys.

Knowing this military culture and the backround, one can read Paul’s letter to the Phillipians in a whole new light.

***It is right that I should think this way about all of you, because I hold you in my heart, you who are all partners with me **in grace, both in my imprisonment and in the defense and confirmation of the gospel. (Phillipians 1:7)

I am here for the defense of the gospel. (Phillipians 1:16)

Only, conduct yourselves in a way worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that, whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear news of you, that you are standing firm in one spirit, with one mind struggling together for the faith of the gospel, not intimidated in any way by your opponents. (Phillipians 1:27:28)

he humbled himself, becoming obedient to death, even death on a cross.
(Phillipians 2:8)

So then, my beloved, obedient as you have always been, not only when I am present but all the more now when I am absent, work out your salvation with fear and trembling. (Phillipians 2:12)

Welcome him then in the Lord with all joy and hold such people in esteem, because for the sake of the work of Christ he came close to death, risking his life to make up for those services to me that you could not perform. (Phillipians 2:29-30)

Brothers, I for my part do not consider myself to have taken possession. Just one thing: forgetting what lies behind but straining forward to what lies ahead, I continue my pursuit toward the goal, the prize of God’s upward calling, in Christ Jesus. (Phillipians 3:13-14)*

The whole letter to the Phillipians is bristling with military language. Becoming “All things to all people”, Paul speaks to the Phillipians in military terms, about shared struggle for a common goal, of being united in one mind, of obedience and honor and fear and death, of taking risks and heroism and glory and ultimately of exaltation as victors.

This is exactly that cultural context which you so correctly mentioned in the first post. The cultural context is what made the scriptures real for me.

-Tim-
 
Thanks Tim. My knowledge and faith are weak. I am deficient in too many areas, yet I move on in hopes that someday I may achieve the purpose that Jesus wants me to fulfill. You have helped me and I appreciate that. Anthony
 
Thanks Tim. My knowledge and faith are weak. I am deficient in too many areas, yet I move on in hopes that someday I may achieve the purpose that Jesus wants me to fulfill. You have helped me and I appreciate that. Anthony
I will pray for you Anthony. I will pray a rosay for you, that your faith be strengthened.

You must pray for yourself too. No matter how difficult it is to pray, you must suffer through it, persevere, until prayer becomes comfortable. It took me two years.

I have to laugh here, because you need to be careful. Ooooh boy…!

There was the story of the lady who asked the priest to pray that she be given faith, and the priest prayed, and the woman’s life fell apart. The priest said, “Alleluia! God answered the prayer! You asked for faith. God gave you opportunities, times when you really needed faith.” The Good Lord is a good coach. If you want faith, he will exercise it. Yikes! Fasten your seat belts, there could be turbulence ahead.

But you come out on the other side with faith - with trust. Sometimes we don’t realize He’s all we need until He’s all we’ve got.

But I will pray Anthony.

-Tim-
 
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