What was the context behind Islam?

[Dorothy]

I don’t think a good Muslim would ask you to believe that their Scriptures are holy in the same way; it is enough to say another’s Scriptures are holy to them. Gabriel can be shared amongst our two other Abrahamic faiths.

God does not contradict himself by revealing two different revelations of himself.

 

[Dorothy]

To me this is the Context behind any Faith, showing a Loving Heart such as this. This is the attitude that is Christian and moves the world to the Love Christ wants for us

God Bless and regards Tony

I do not dislike people who do not believe as I do. I desire to love them as Jesus does.

Peace!

Dorothy

 

[ComplineSanFran]

God does not contradict himself by revealing two different revelations of himself.

But we have very different revelations in our two Testaments, yet it’s still the God of Abraham. I’m not sure I see the difference.

 

[TonyBS]

I do not dislike people who do not believe as I do. I desire to love them as Jesus does.

Peace! Dorothy

We show this by not posting rubbish about their Faith would we not

It would be more just to understand first hand why they believe as they do.

We all fall short, but together we must make the effort to Love all and come to Unity in our understanding.

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[Dorothy]

But we have very different revelations in our two Testaments, yet it’s still the God of Abraham. I’m not sure I see the difference.

In the Old and New Testaments, one follows the other. The revelation becomes clear in the New Testament, the Old Testament is the preparation for the New.

 

[thephilosopher6]

Prophets generally don’t make prophecies about other prophets. Perhaps you are confusing the role of Jesus and the role of Muhammed. No one is claiming that Muhammed is the Messiah.

I’m not saying that. I’m responding to a Baha’i who said Muhammad was foretold in the Bible. I know Muslims and Baha’i’s don’t believe Muhammad to be the Messiah. They recognize Jesus as the Messiah. However, it is a common argument from followers and believers of Muhammad to argue that the Bible had prophecy’s concerning him.

 

[thephilosopher6]

But we have very different revelations in our two Testaments, yet it’s still the God of Abraham. I’m not sure I see the difference.

How are you Christian when you are spewing forth such heresy? Go be Muslim if you believe in Muhammad.

 

[ComplineSanFran]

How are you Christian when you are spewing forth such heresy? Go be Muslim if you believe in Muhammad.

‘Spewing forth heresy…’ Excuse me? I believe that the Church teaches there are three (+) Abrahamic faiths - Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. We are all bound together by our God and our history. What is heretical about that?

 

[TonyBS]

I’m not saying that. I’m responding to a Baha’i who said Muhammad was foretold in the Bible. I know Muslims and Baha’i’s don’t believe Muhammad to be the Messiah. They recognize Jesus as the Messiah. However, it is a common argument from followers and believers of Muhammad to argue that the Bible had prophecy’s concerning him.

It is one of the Contexts behind Islam, that Jesus the Christ did foretell of it and it was recorded.

To me it stands out as being so.

Regards Tony

 

[thephilosopher6]

‘Spewing forth heresy…’ Excuse me? I believe that the Church teaches there are three (+) Abrahamic faiths - Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. We are all bound together by our God and our history. What is heretical about that?

The Church doesn’t teach anything regarding Islam. Though, I would agree that it is an Abrahamic religion. Albeit, a very twisted violent form. The way you are writing is making it seem like you are siding alongside Islam and its heresy’s.

 

[thephilosopher6]

It is one of the Contexts behind Islam, that Jesus the Christ did foretell of it and it was recorded.

To me it stands out as being so.

Regards Tony

Christ did not foretell of such a thing. Christ is the Lord and savior of humanity. It is by him and only him that we are saved. And in his resurrection from the dead, we hope for our own resurrection on the day of judgment. Even if Jesus did foretell of Muhammad, it would have been as a false prophet or as an Anti-Christ. Not as a prophet.

 

[ComplineSanFran]

The Church doesn’t teach anything regarding Islam. Though, I would agree that it is an Abrahamic religion. Albeit, a very twisted violent form. The way you are writing is making it seem like you are siding alongside Islam and its heresy’s.

Perhaps these words will suffice to convince you:

'The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all-powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.

Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Moslems, this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom.’

Nostra Aetate

 

[thephilosopher6]

Perhaps these words will suffice to convince you:

'The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all-powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.

Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Moslems, this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom.’

Nostra Aetate

This does not necessarily reflect the official opinion of the Church because the Church has no official position regarding Islam. Nostra aetate was a released to better improve the relations between Christians and non-Christian religions. There is nothing stopping a Catholic from believing that Muslims worship Satan. There is nothing stopping Catholics from believing Islam is peaceful or believing it is violent. The Church has not made an official dogmatic statement regarding Islam. The Church however does agree that Christianity, specifically the Catholic Church, is the religion with full truth and it upholds its superiority over other religions in document Dominus lesus released by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in the year 2000 during the Papacy of Saint Pope John Paul II. It was signed off by Cardinal Joseph Ratizinger who later became Pope Benedict XVI.

 

[ComplineSanFran]

This does not necessarily reflect the official opinion of the Church because the Church has no official position regarding Islam. Nostra aetate was a released to better improve the relations between Christians and non-Christian religions. There is nothing stopping a Catholic from believing that Muslims worship Satan. There is nothing stopping Catholics from believing Islam is peaceful or believing it is violent. The Church has not made an official dogmatic statement regarding Islam. The Church however does agree that Christianity, specifically the Catholic Church, is the religion with full truth and it upholds its superiority over other religions in document Dominus lesus released by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in the year 2000 during the Papacy of Saint Pope John Paul II. It was signed off by Cardinal Joseph Ratizinger who later became Pope Benedict XVI.

Of course the Roman Catholic Church is going to say it upholds its superiority within a dogmatic statement. That is what any faith community would rightfully do.

And yet your Church seeks out ways to honor other traditions. No, you are not required formally to believe in the honor and integrity of Islam, but your Church is certainly saying why it does and why you should.

 

[thephilosopher6]

Of course the Roman Catholic Church is going to say it upholds its superiority within a dogmatic statement. That is what any faith community would rightfully do.

And yet your Church seeks out ways to honor other traditions. No, you are not required formally to believe in the honor and integrity of Islam, but your Church is certainly saying why it does and why you should.

Yes, of course. It also applies to you. You and your church would uphold its superiority over other religions including Islam as any faith community would.

My Church is just trying to establish good relations with other traditions. Trying to understand other traditions. The Church itself does not necessarily uphold Islam as some respectable religion.

Islam is a violent religion and twists Gods word. But, If you love Islam so much, why don’t you just become a Muslim? Anglicans are allowing Muslims to bow down and worship in their cathedrals anyway. It seems to me that your church has already started to reject the cross in favor of the moon and crescent.

 

[TonyBS]

My Church is just trying to establish good relations with other traditions. Trying to understand other traditions. The Church itself does not necessarily uphold Islam as some respectable religion.

Islam is a violent religion and twists Gods word. But, If you love Islam so much, why don’t you just become a Muslim? Anglicans are allowing Muslims to bow down and worship in their cathedrals anyway. It seems to me that your church has already started to reject the cross in favor of the moon and crescent.

What is voilent is from man, not Muhammad or God. God but teaches Love which has also a foundation of Justice.

God loves all that serve others before themselves.

Regards Tony

 

[thephilosopher6]

What is voilent is from man, not Muhammad or God. God but teaches Love which has also a foundation of Justice.

God loves all that serve others before themselves.

Regards Tony

But that’s just the thing! Muhammad was just a man. Christ on the other hand is God in the flesh! That is why we see in Christ love, patience, humbleness, compassion, etc.

 

[ComplineSanFran]

But, If you love Islam so much, why don’t you just become a Muslim?

I recall a children’s taunt: ‘If you love it so much, why don’t you marry it?’

LOL.

I am perfectly happy being Anglican, thank you.

I have been honored to pray with Muslims, and with Jews, and Buddhists, etc, (as has your own Pope), but it doesn’t mean I want to become a Muslim, a Jew, a Buddhist.

 

[Servant19]

But that’s just the thing! Muhammad was just a man. Christ on the other hand is God in the flesh! That is why we see in Christ love, patience, humbleness, compassion, etc.

And millions upon millions of loving, caring and patient Muslims see the same qualities in Muhammad.

It is important to reflect and ponder on the “good relations” (as you wish to put it) which the Catholic Church is striving to create and if the thoughts that Muslims worship Satan is within those “good relations” parameters?

.

 

[thephilosopher6]

Of course the Roman Catholic Church is going to say it upholds its superiority within a dogmatic statement. That is what any faith community would rightfully do.

And yet your Church seeks out ways to honor other traditions. No, you are not required formally to believe in the honor and integrity of Islam, but your Church is certainly saying why it does and why you should.

BTW, just want to quickly add (and this may sound like a nitpick) but when you say “Roman Catholic Church” are you referring to the entire Catholic Church? Because all Roman Catholics are Catholic, but not all Catholics are Roman Catholic. The Roman rite is the largest rite used in the Latin Church and probably largest rite used in the entire Catholic Church. However, not all belong to the Roman rite. There are other rites in the Latin Church such as the Ambrosian rite and the Mozarabic rite. Also, we have our Eastern Catholic brethren who are made up of a large variety or Churches and use many different rites. There are Byzantine Catholics, Maronites Catholics, Coptic Catholics, Chaldean Catholics, etc. They are not Roman Catholics. The term “Roman Catholic” is simply a nickname and has sometimes been used by Catholics themselves to describe the Church. However, our official name is simply the Catholic Church and the term “Roman Catholic Church” does not accurately describe the Church. We are the one, holy, Catholic, and apostolic Church that Christ alone founded. There are no other Catholic Churches and there certainly isn’t multiple Churches that form one single entity called the Catholic Church; which is contrary to the heretical Anglican branch theory. The term “Roman Catholic” can sometimes be derogatory towards members of the Catholic Church since it wrongly describes the whole of the Church and assumes that we are just one branch of the Catholic Church when it reality we simply are the Catholic Church and there is no other. I just wanted to clarify that.