What was the source of Mohammad's Revelations?

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Meh. See “Book of Mormon Challenge”.
I have read some of the conditions of the challenge of the Book of Mormon and I really cannot believe that they can be the sort of conditions that God Almighty would set.

God is not the author of confusion but yet the very idea of setting such complex conditions to this challenge is in and of itself really confusing to say the least.
 
You mean, centuries after Moh’d and his followers carried out their violent campaigns against Arabs and surrounding areas, killing and expelling anyone who was not a Musilm from Arabia and mistreating Jews and Christians, that most people in the conquered lands were Muslim? And not only that, you actually think that this somehow gives Islam validity? So, descendants of people forced into Islam were Muslim, Big deal!🤷 I don’t see how any one in search of truth is supposed to be convinced or even impressed by that at all :confused:
Islam is the fastest growing major religion in both America and Europe and this is mainly due to the fact that many in the West are beginning to learn about the Qur’an.
 
Islam is the fastest growing major religion in both America and Europe and this is mainly due to the fact that many in the West are beginning to learn about the Qur’an.
No I disagree, Muslims are outpopulating free societies that allow your freedom and liberty of religion.

Why don’t Muslims countries allow Christians to openly bring the bible and teach Muslims about Christianity?

And stop killing or threaten by death, your Free Muslims who learn freedom and liberty and wish to practice their liberties of religion, when they decide to reject Islam.
 
Islam is the fastest growing major religion in both America and Europe
Do you have statistics from scholarly sources to back this claim up with?
and this is mainly due to the fact that many in the West are beginning to learn about the Qur’an.
I would say that it has a lot to do with Westerners looking for something to fill the void left by low-brow pop culture.
 
I will say this: I work in a place that has a lot of Muslims. The boss is Muslim. He made sure Catholics know they can leave early tomorrow to get to Mass for Ash Wednesday.

I am reading the Koran just so I can learn and understand. What I have read so far does not justify the hatred and killing done by radicals. One verse I read said that if you kill anyone, it is like you kill the whole race. Another says women are to be treated equally. I truly do not get it
 
I will say this: I work in a place that has a lot of Muslims. The boss is Muslim. He made sure Catholics know they can leave early tomorrow to get to Mass for Ash Wednesday.

I am reading the Koran just so I can learn and understand. What I have read so far does not justify the hatred and killing done by radicals. One verse I read said that if you kill anyone, it is like you kill the whole race. Another says women are to be treated equally. I truly do not get it
This bold portion is actually from the the Babylonian Talmud and predates Islam by at least 2 centuries.

Per treatment of women: answering-islam.org/Authors/Roark/women.htm
 
I will say this: I work in a place that has a lot of Muslims. The boss is Muslim. He made sure Catholics know they can leave early tomorrow to get to Mass for Ash Wednesday.

I am reading the Koran just so I can learn and understand. What I have read so far does not justify the hatred and killing done by radicals. One verse I read said that if you kill anyone, it is like you kill the whole race. Another says women are to be treated equally. I truly do not get it
But we have to keep the concept of naskh (“abrogation”) in mind when reading the Qur’an. This doctrine provides for some verses to cancel out other verses. I have read that, in one such case, verse 2:256 is rendered null and void by verse 9:5 and/or 9:29.

We should do our best to make a fair assessment of Islam–rather than acting like Protestant fundamentalists who accuse Catholics and Orthodox of idolatry by virtue of the former refusing to understand the latter’s real beliefs–and show respect to our Muslim neighbours.
 
Islam is the fastest growing major religion in both America and Europe and this is mainly due to the fact that many in the West are beginning to learn about the Qur’an.
Now I know for certain you have ZERO to support Islam’s validity except sheer blind faith- Talk about red-herrings! And by the way, there are many, many conversions FROM Islam in Islamic lands, unprecedented in all of History- all in just the past two decades.

Your posts are becoming more and more off topic and weak as we go along.
 
But the pagan Arabs of the time were already predisposed not to accept Muhammad’s message, which preached that there was only one supreme God, humans would be held accountable for their earthly actions after death, and all would one day rise again from the grave. They would be very much inclined to dismiss any literary merit the book might have.
But the Quran’s challenge has nothing to do with its message. It boasts its uniqueness based on its style, language etc. If the Quran were trully so impressive in that regard, none but the Arabs would have been the very first to note this and be drawn to it for those very reasons. But no, Mohammed had to escape to Medina to form a band of warriors and conquer all the Arabs to submission (or death).

Why were they not stunned by the uniqueness of the Quran if it was so special? Why did they not ask the questions you now ask- Like,* How could Moh’d have come up with this?* This was asked of Jesus and his preaching and his miracles- and of other Prophets in the Old Testament, of Jesus’ Apostles etc. They (Arabs) may have rejected its message but praised or at least wondered at the poet. They may have claimed it was from the evil jinns or something, (due to how “superhuman” it would seem) but nothing 🤷. Instead, what we find is the simple dismissal of a crazy fellow who has deluded himself into thinking his poetry is special when it’s not. That’s the attitude with which Mohammed was dismissed by the Arabs.

Also, After the Islamic conquests, there simply was not any dissenting opinion left. The Arabic in the Quran became the standard- or the most perfect Arabic- not based at all on any objective analysis, but on the tenet of Islamic faith that said that God is the author of the Quran. God cannot speak bad or sub-standard Arabic, can he? It must be not just the best language on Earth, but the most perfect form possible of that language too. Every other form of Arabic was subordinated to the Quran. That is a judgement of the Quran (that it’s unique and inimitable) by fiat, not by a scholarly/objective process.
Do you have a source for this? I’m very curious, because the Qur’an challenges its audience to come up with a work of similar calibre (though we couldn’t expect any successful attempt to be recorded in the Qur’an, for that would near-fatally undermine its own credibility!).
Will definitely look for it and post if I find it. I heard this on a Muslim/Christian debate about Mohammed’s Prophethood. The Muslims claimed he could not have come up with the Quran and that no one else can. The Christian challenged with this story, I believe from some Hadith, and I assure you the Muslims did not deny this as a fabrication. In any case I’m sure I can find it on line. These debates and sources are numerous.

Peace.
 
Muhammad did not receive messages from the Archangel Gabriel. St. Gabriel would not deny the deity of Christ. Think about it… he started a religion that does not accept the divinity of Jesus Christ. He started a religion that says Jesus isn’t God, and that Jesus didn’t die for our sins.

Paul the apostle wrote these words years after Jesus had finished the work of salvation and said, “But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we preached to you, let him be accursed”(Galatians 1:8).


In the Koran ( read Hadith of Bukhari, volume 9, book 87, Hadith number 111), it says that the “angel” squeezed him, scared him and sent him home frightened. Does this sound like an angel from Heaven? Muhammad could have been hallucinating, lying, or was visited by an evil spirit.

Let’s look at the Koran, 96:1 - 4:
The angel came to him and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read.
The Prophet added, “The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read and I replied, ‘I do not know how to read.’ Thereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read but again I replied, ‘I do not know how to read (or what shall I read)?’ Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me, and then released me and said, 'Read in the name of your Lord, who has created (all that exists) has created man from a clot. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous.”

Then Allah’s Apostle returned with the Inspiration and with his heart beating severely. Then he went to Khadija bint Khuwailid and said, “Cover me! Cover me!” They covered him till his fear was over and after that he told her everything that had happened and said, “I fear that something may happen to me.”

In the Bible we have a totally different picture of the angel Gabriel who appeared to many people before Mohammed. Let us look at some examples:
Gabriel appeared to Mary, the mother of Jesus (Luke 1:26-33):
“The angel Gabriel was sent from God to a virgin name Mary and said,‘Hail, O favored one, the Lord is with you!’ But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and the angel said to her,‘Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High.’”

The Son of the Most High God became the Son of Man (Son of Mary) in order to give his life at the cross for the sinful world that,“All who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God.”(John 1:12)

Here are some more examples of the book that Muhammed received in that cave:
“The Christians say: The Christ is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them.” (Sura 9:30)

“Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends.” (Surah 5:51)

“NEVER DID ALLAH TAKE TO HIMSELF A SON, and never was there with him any (other) god . . .” (Sura 23:91)

“Muhammad is God’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.” (Surah 48:29)

This book that Muhammad received clearly contradicts the Christian faith. The above are just a few examples of this. Muhammad could have been hallucinating, lying, or was visited by an evil spirit.
Well, I think its pretty obvious that Mohammad had some severe mental illness. Either that or it truly was the devil. Why would an angel choke somebody? It definitely sounds like something that the devil would do. either that, or it really was all in his head.

Either way, something was definitely wrong, and there is no way in heck that it was revealed to him by God or one of God’s angels. :dts:
 
I will say this: I work in a place that has a lot of Muslims. The boss is Muslim. He made sure Catholics know they can leave early tomorrow to get to Mass for Ash Wednesday.

I am reading the Koran just so I can learn and understand. What I have read so far does not justify the hatred and killing done by radicals. One verse I read said that if you kill anyone, it is like you kill the whole race. Another says women are to be treated equally. I truly do not get it
Women treated equally? LOL! check out what Moh said:

Qur’an (4:34) - “Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.”

Qur’an (38:44) - “And take in your hand a green branch and beat her with it, and do not break your oath…”

Bukhari (72:715) - A woman came to Muhammad and begged her to stop her husband from beating her. Her skin was bruised so badly that she it is described as being “greener” than the green veil she was wearing. Muhammad did not admonish her husband, but instead ordered her to return to him and submit to his sexual desires.

Abu Dawud (2141) - “Iyas bin ‘Abd Allah bin Abi Dhubab reported the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do not beat Allah’s handmaidens, but when ‘Umar came to the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) and said: Women have become emboldened towards their husbands, he (the Prophet) gave permission to beat them.”

So here, we see that Mohammad gives men the right to beat their wives. :blackeye: :crutches:

Qur’an (2:282) - Establishes that a woman’s testimony is worth only half that of a man’s in court

Qur’an (2:228) - “and the men are a degree above them [women]”

Bukhari (6:301) - “[Muhammad] said, ‘Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?’ They replied in the affirmative. He said, ‘This is the deficiency in her intelligence.’”

Muslim (4:1039) - “A’isha said [to Muhammad]: ‘You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses’”

**And here we see that Mohammad says women are less intelligent than men and our worth is only half of a mans. :ehh: :dts:
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For anyone who doubts that Islam is the fastest growing major faith in America and Europe, there is actually a very simple and I would say fairly accurate way to gauge whether or not this is true.

I suggest that you do a search on YouTube on the following topic i.e. “convert to _______” (just fill in the blank with the name of the religion and compare the difference in the number of results obtained)

For example, the search on YouTube for “convert to Islam” yielded about 41,100 results.
 
For anyone who doubts that Islam is the fastest growing major faith in America and Europe, there is actually a very simple and I would say fairly accurate way to gauge whether or not this is true.

I suggest that you do a search on YouTube on the following topic i.e. “convert to _______” (just fill in the blank with the name of the religion and compare the difference in the number of results obtained)

For example, the search on YouTube for “convert to Islam” yielded about 41,100 results.
Hamba you’re free to start a thread debating which is the fastest growing religion. In fact, I’ll just message the Mod to start one for you (That is, split this thread). But you’re not free to hijack this one. :tsktsk:

If you have substantial arguments to offer in favour of the proposition that Moh’d and his revelation do not belong in any of the options I provided but that in fact the source of his claimed revelation is the True God, feel free to post here. 🙂
 
For anyone who doubts that Islam is the fastest growing major faith in America and Europe
Hey hamba, I don’t think any one would doubt that ;), Islam is actually the fastest growing faith in the world, BUT NOT BECAUSE PEOPLE REALLY BELIEVE IN IT but because of the these reasons:
  1. A Muslim by inheritance.
  2. A Muslim cannot change his/her religion otherwise death is waiting for that person.
  3. High birth rate, Muslims generally produce children without caring for the economical conditions, that is why poverty is so high in all Islamic countries even here in Saudi Arabia.
  4. Polygamy.
  5. Language manipulation, you wouldn’t find much Arabic converters as you would see non-Arabic ones, because it’s very easy to manipulate the translation and show Islam as 100% accurate, peaceful, or divine.
 
What was the source of Mohammed’s Revelations?

The short answer is I really don’t care.
A muderous thieving pedophile is probably did NOT get his “revelations” from the God we know.

That’s my answer and I’m sticking to it!
 
What was the source of Mohammed’s Revelations?

The short answer is I really don’t care.

That’s my answer and I’m sticking to it!
LOL…👍

At the end of the day it basically comes down to that, doesn’t it. 😉

Peace
 
15thClub;8991496:
What was the source of Mohammed’s Revelations?

The short answer is I really don’t care.
A muderous thieving pedophile is probably did NOT get his “revelations” from the God we know.

That’s my answer and I’m sticking to it!
LOL…👍

At the end of the day it basically comes down to that, doesn’t it. 😉

Peace
http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon4.gif well, I disagree with both of you!

The truth must be revealed, else many people will be deceived!, that is why we have so many religions nowadays!, everyone claims that he got revelation from God!!!

If you are smart and think logically and can distinguish the truth from false then that is okay but there are so many who cannot…
 
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