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HolyRosario
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I was told it was one of the Antiochian Rite such as Syriac , Chaldean , Maronite etc.
Which Rite Of The Catholic Church Was The Very First?
Which Rite Of The Catholic Church Was The Very First?
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Hesychios
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Hello HolyRosario,
I don’t think there actually was an original liturgical rite. If anything I think one could call the liturgy variable. It had all the important parts but was simple and primitive.
Father Louis Bouyar wrote an interesting book (Eucharist) in which he tried to explain the local liturgical practices varied widely depending more than anything else on the local synagog services in an area, which not only varied by region but within regions at the local level. This contributed the basic framework for the earliest Mass. The Eucharistic part of the service itself comes from the Jewish table blessings, which were done within families and passed down from generation to generation. Of course we do it under the command of Jesus from His own last supper. Anyone (like the Apostles and other early Christians) who had grown up in a Jewish home in the first century would have no trouble perfoming these rites in his own language and (presumably) with his own personal style.
The liturgical rites we think of today got started in the following generations, especially when there were growing Christian communities without much if any Jewish heritage. The new young presbyters had to learn the proper practice from their bishops, it most likely led to standardization at that time. Once a practice gets regulated and standardized it tends to become a bit rigid, the practitioner may be a bit less relaxed and more punctilious in carrying out the ceremony.
So these standardized liturgies got started and spread from the early major centers of the Christian church, and as the influence of certain church centers would expand, more priests would be trained in the similar style. At some point the instructions would written out, and that would freeze the practice.
As far as I know, the earliest surviving liturgical tradition is the Liturgy of St James, so what you were told would be correct. However, that does not mean that this liturgy was the ‘original’ liturgy, but it probably means that it was the first to be standardized to some extent and disseminated widely.
Nevertheless, all of the surviving early liturgies have gone through a lot of organic changes.
I don’t think there actually was an original liturgical rite. If anything I think one could call the liturgy variable. It had all the important parts but was simple and primitive.
Father Louis Bouyar wrote an interesting book (Eucharist) in which he tried to explain the local liturgical practices varied widely depending more than anything else on the local synagog services in an area, which not only varied by region but within regions at the local level. This contributed the basic framework for the earliest Mass. The Eucharistic part of the service itself comes from the Jewish table blessings, which were done within families and passed down from generation to generation. Of course we do it under the command of Jesus from His own last supper. Anyone (like the Apostles and other early Christians) who had grown up in a Jewish home in the first century would have no trouble perfoming these rites in his own language and (presumably) with his own personal style.
The liturgical rites we think of today got started in the following generations, especially when there were growing Christian communities without much if any Jewish heritage. The new young presbyters had to learn the proper practice from their bishops, it most likely led to standardization at that time. Once a practice gets regulated and standardized it tends to become a bit rigid, the practitioner may be a bit less relaxed and more punctilious in carrying out the ceremony.
So these standardized liturgies got started and spread from the early major centers of the Christian church, and as the influence of certain church centers would expand, more priests would be trained in the similar style. At some point the instructions would written out, and that would freeze the practice.
As far as I know, the earliest surviving liturgical tradition is the Liturgy of St James, so what you were told would be correct. However, that does not mean that this liturgy was the ‘original’ liturgy, but it probably means that it was the first to be standardized to some extent and disseminated widely.
Nevertheless, all of the surviving early liturgies have gone through a lot of organic changes.
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ConstantineTG
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The Liturgy of St. James is a precursor to all the modern Rites, and in fact some of them even use it to this day.
Rites developed over time because of the culture and the philosophy of the regions where they developed.
Rites developed over time because of the culture and the philosophy of the regions where they developed.
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Vico
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The oldest recorded is from Antioch: Liturgy of the eighth book of the Apostolic Constitutions
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Wesley7
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Mmm trivia guessing the Old Roman Rite Romanum Missalum? . . .
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OrthodoxJosh
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As far as I know, the earliest surviving liturgical tradition is the Liturgy of St James, so what you were told would be correct. However, that does not mean that this liturgy was the ‘original’ liturgy, but it probably means that it was the first to be standardized to some extent and disseminated widely.
Nevertheless, all of the surviving early liturgies have gone through a lot of organic changes.
I read an article a few years back about an Orthodox Priest who had converted from Judaism, and was serving in Jerusalem under the Jerusalem Patriarchate. This Priest was working on translating the Liturgy of St. James into (or back into) Aramaic. How amazing would it be to hear the Divine Liturgy of St. James performed in what was probably its original language! Sadly, even though I’m Orthodox I’ve never heard the Divine Liturgy of St. James. I have read parts of it, and I hear that it is quite a long Liturgy.
The Sinner,
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Most Holy Mother of God, save us!
Nevertheless, all of the surviving early liturgies have gone through a lot of organic changes.
I read an article a few years back about an Orthodox Priest who had converted from Judaism, and was serving in Jerusalem under the Jerusalem Patriarchate. This Priest was working on translating the Liturgy of St. James into (or back into) Aramaic. How amazing would it be to hear the Divine Liturgy of St. James performed in what was probably its original language! Sadly, even though I’m Orthodox I’ve never heard the Divine Liturgy of St. James. I have read parts of it, and I hear that it is quite a long Liturgy.
The Sinner,
Josh
Most Holy Mother of God, save us!
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I_Thirst
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Ambrosian Rite – Pope Paul VI was either Ambrosian or he supported it – either way he was the Archbishop of Milan which is where the Ambrosian Rite is prominent.Question to Roman Catholics: How many different styles of Liturgy are allowed in the Latin church? Of course I’ve heard of the Novus Ordoand the Tridentine Latin Mass:thumbsup:,
Anglican Use – this is recent one that Pope Benedict XVI helped usher in.
Mozarabic Rite – only in a few places in Spain.
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HolyRosario
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Very True , I wonder if it was east or west Antioch?
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Diakonia
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And the Bragan Rite - served in only a few churches in Portugal.
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PrayForMeStJude
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The is also the Sarum Rite (the Salisbury Use), which was used in England before they split from the Church.
Additionally, there were once rites such as the Gallican Rite (The Lyon Use).
And on top of that, monastic orders use their own missals, which may be slightly different from the Roman Rite.
Background knowledge for anyone who might not know:
The Western Church was, for much of history, very liturgically de-centralized, due to the lack of political, linguistic, and cultural unity in the early Church there. Many of the early rites were similar, and there is some debate about whether rites such as the Sarum and Gallican were seperate rites or just “usages” of the Roman Rite. Back when there were many regional variations, they were usually named for the central city in that region, so when the Council of Trent (Tridentum in Latin) decided that the liturgy should be more standardized and mandated use of the Roman Rite, it also came to be known as the “Tridentine Rite.” At the same time, many regional variations which were not sufficiently historic were disallowed, while older rites such as the Ambrosian Rite continued.
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Vico
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The west. Catholic Encyclopedia states regarding the Chaldean liturgy:
“The tradition — resting on the legend of Abgar and of his correspondence with Christ, which has been shown to be apocryphal — is to the effect that St. Thomas the Apostle, on his way to India, established Christanity in Mesopotamia, Assyria, and Persia, and left Adaeus (or Thaddeus), “one of the Seventy”, and Maris in charge. To these the normal liturgy is attributed, but it is said to have been revised by the Patriarch Yeshuyab III in about 650. Some, however, consider this liturgy to be a development of the Antiochene.”
The Assyrian (Chaldean) is of Seleucia-Ctesiphon (Babylon): anaphoras of Mar Addai & Mar Mari, Mar Theodore of Mopsuestia, and Mar Nestorius.
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AntalKalnoky
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The first National Church Rite was the Armenian, of the 300’s; was discovered and documented by Russian historians during Soviet era. The Armenian Church was also the first to have a Dome Cupola, now universal. It is difficult to know Which Rite was Earliest, because there were so many in the early years. St Paul wrote Corrective Letter Advisories to many Local Churches, read as Epistles now.
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dzheremi
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The liturgy of St. James is the primary liturgy of the Syriac Orthodox Church. Here are some clips of it being celebrated in Jerusalem by Archbishop Mor Sewerios Malki Mourad:
Part 1
Part 3 (Part 2 does not exist, or at least not on the same channel as the other clips)
Part 4
Part 5
And here is a snippet of the Qurbono being celebrated in St. Mark’s monastery, in the upper room where St. James celebrated the first liturgy: youtube.com/watch?v=8XhgMXs01kY
Zmirotho.org has several recordings of the liturgy dating back to the 1960s of 1970s (Jalil Maiilo’s liturgy). They definitely seem to be on the short side, though that might be a reflection of storage limits of the website or recording/format limitations. I would expect an average Syriac Orthodox liturgy to be comparable to the average liturgy at any other Orthodox church (2-3 hours).
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shlomo3amrooh
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The first rite without a doubt is the Syriac Rite of Antioch.
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HolyRosario
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Exsactly! I have done studies and I found out that it was the Syriac Rite.
And to be honest Maronites are the first too becase we are originally the Syriac Rite.
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Hesychios
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Just to be clear, it is not as if the Roman Rite or the Bragan Rite developed out of the Syriac Rite. Scattered among the Christians around the world were liturgical practices that were mostly undifferentiated and variable at first. The various earliest rites were standardized in their own times and place, the Syriac tradition being likeliest the earliest surviving (perhaps from even the first two generations), which spread around the eastern Mediterranean, it is attributed to Saint James for that reason.
The Byzantine Rite derives from it as a modification.
Have you been able to visit other Sui Iuris churches which use the Syriac tradition for comparison? It might be nice if you could tell us about it, and explain the similarities and differences you notice.
stgeorgesa.org/explanation_of_the_maronite_divi.htm
Here is a little article on some of the recent adjustments to the Maronite Qurbono
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The Novus Ordo is properly called the Ordinary Form (OF). EF stands for Extraordinary Form, which is also known as Tridentine. OF and EF are both forms of the Roman Rite. Other rites used by the Latin Catholic Church are Ambrosian, Bragan, and Mozarabic. A number of religious orders also have their own rites, e.g. Carthusians, Dominicans.Question to Roman Catholics: How many different styles of Liturgy are allowed in the Latin church? Of course I’ve heard of the Novus Ordo
The term “Uniates” is perjorative and is banned on CAF. I believe you meant Eastern and Oriental Catholics.
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Hesychios
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Actually, it’s use is banned but it is not normally pejorative, it shows up in church documents and was coined by the church.
I don’t think it is any more pejorative than the term “Novus Ordo” or “Vatican II”. it’s all in how you say it.
Most of the time I see complaints about this word around here it is used in a non-pejorative way.
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otjm
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The Jewish rite. Go read Acts. They set it out there (granted, a bit sketchy, but it is there…). And Acts was written a tad bit before 300 AD.
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