What was your biggest obstacle to Catholicism?

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And yet they pray for each other:confused:
And how many times have you heard a non-Catholic say “Grandma or Grandpa is looking down smiling on me and is proud of what I have done”. But wait I thought they were dead and gone, how could they look down and smile and be proud if they are dead. A little bit of a double standard here maybe?
 
And how many times have you heard a non-Catholic say “Grandma or Grandpa is looking down smiling on me and is proud of what I have done”. But wait I thought they were dead and gone, how could they look down and smile and be proud if they are dead. A little bit of a double standard here maybe?
Praise the Lord for the Church Triumphant!!!
 
Mary conceived sinless

I struggle with this… not that it bothers me… but struggling to wrap my head around it.

I can easily see how she would be sinless later, but not the immaculate conception.
 
Mary conceived sinless

I struggle with this… not that it bothers me… but struggling to wrap my head around it.

I can easily see how she would be sinless later, but not the immaculate conception.
As the ark of the New Covenant she would have to be conceived sinless…
 
Thanks to all who voted in the poll and who gave replies. It appears that the majority of folks who responded didn’t have any obstacles at all, which is amazing to me. I realize that jealousy is not a virtue, but I envy you to a certain extent and the clear direction and faith that is represented by that decision.

For those who identified one or more obstacles, it looks like that ‘family opposition’ was the biggest factor. I can relate to that, as I have a spouse who is not receptive at all to Catholicism, mostly based on misconceptions and some legitimate differences based on upbringing and doctrine.

Marian doctrines, which is one of my biggest obstacles, had a few votes but not as much as family opposition.

I found the poll very interesting. I think I will do as suggested and possibly start a thread or two in the near future on a couple of these specific obstacles of mine to go more in depth. Thanks again to all for your (name removed by moderator)ut, replies, and prayers. You continue to give me good food for thought and I appreciate it. .
 
Mary conceived sinless

I struggle with this… not that it bothers me… but struggling to wrap my head around it.

I can easily see how she would be sinless later, but not the immaculate conception.
I understand you. But… why not? Is not God omnipotent? 🙂
Eve also was created sinless. Virgin Mary is the ‘New Eve’. Does God concede more grace to Eve than to His Son’s mother? I doubt it.
 
Thanks to all who voted in the poll and who gave replies. It appears that the majority of folks who responded didn’t have any obstacles at all, which is amazing to me. I realize that jealousy is not a virtue, but I envy you to a certain extent and the clear direction and faith that is represented by that decision.

For those who identified one or more obstacles, it looks like that ‘family opposition’ was the biggest factor. I can relate to that, as I have a spouse who is not receptive at all to Catholicism, mostly based on misconceptions and some legitimate differences based on upbringing and doctrine.

Marian doctrines, which is one of my biggest obstacles, had a few votes but not as much as family opposition.

I found the poll very interesting. I think I will do as suggested and possibly start a thread or two in the near future on a couple of these specific obstacles of mine to go more in depth. Thanks again to all for your (name removed by moderator)ut, replies, and prayers. You continue to give me good food for thought and I appreciate it. .
Here’s my advise: Each night when you get done praying listen quietly for a few minutes. That’s when God gives us His plan for us… It’s usually not what we want BTW… Follow His plan and everything will take care of itself. I guarantee God’s plan (whether it’s stay or enter the RCC) would never split a marriage in the end:) You may also need to exude extreme humility with your wife as she digs her heals in… Good luck, I will continue to pray for the both of you:)
 
As the ark of the New Covenant she would have to be conceived sinless…
I understand this 🙂
I understand you. But… why not? Is not God omnipotent? 🙂
Eve also was created sinless. Virgin Mary is the ‘New Eve’. Does God concede more grace to Eve than to His Son’s mother? I doubt it.
True, but Mary was not made, but was conceived. 🤷

Like with her being sinless later I can wrap my head around, by accepting to God’s Will of the conception of Christ, She was the first to recieve and accept Christ for who He is. The acceptance of Christ would make her sinless thus able to carry Christ and be His mother.
It is a reach back in time per say on salvation, like the Jews with Christ. The Law did not save the Jews, the fulfilling of the Covenant in the Future by Christ did. They just did what God had asked in the mean time.
Thats how I view that… but not sure how to view Mary’s conception.
 
I understand this 🙂

True, but Mary was not made, but was conceived. 🤷

Like with her being sinless later I can wrap my head around, by accepting to God’s Will of the conception of Christ, She was the first to recieve and accept Christ for who He is. The acceptance of Christ would make her sinless thus able to carry Christ and be His mother.
It is a reach back in time per say on salvation, like the Jews with Christ. The Law did not save the Jews, the fulfilling of the Covenant in the Future by Christ did. They just did what God had asked in the mean time.
Thats how I view that… but not sure how to view Mary’s conception.
Mary’s conception can be answered here:
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Eve also was created sinless. Virgin Mary is the ‘New Eve’. Does God concede more grace to Eve than to His Son’s mother? I doubt it.
Maybe. But Eve was not “sin proofed” (as we can see from her fall from the garden), unlike the immaculate conception, which “sin proofed” Mary.
You are comparing Apples to oranges my friend.
 
Maybe. But Eve was not “sin proofed” (as we can see from her fall from the garden), unlike the immaculate conception, which “sin proofed” Mary.
You are comparing Apples to oranges my friend.
I don’t believe that is Apples to oranges. Mary fulfilled where Eve lacked. They were both born sinless but one said no where the former said yes…
 
The biggest hangup I had was the doctrine of eternal security. I assigned some comfort to a sense of the assurance of eternal life apart from work. In a practical sense, once saved, always saved became a lifestyle liberty to sin with no eternal consequences. Now, I view it as heresy and believe I was duped by embracing dispensationalism. I was wrong in the doctrine of sin, salvation and end times theology. I have a sense of doctrinal healing and even greater security because I live in a state of grace.😃
 
I understand this 🙂

True, but Mary was not made, but was conceived. 🤷

Like with her being sinless later I can wrap my head around, by accepting to God’s Will of the conception of Christ, She was the first to recieve and accept Christ for who He is. The acceptance of Christ would make her sinless thus able to carry Christ and be His mother.
It is a reach back in time per say on salvation, like the Jews with Christ. The Law did not save the Jews, the fulfilling of the Covenant in the Future by Christ did. They just did what God had asked in the mean time.
Thats how I view that… but not sure how to view Mary’s conception.
Mary, like Eve, was also made. 😉

The Inmaculate Conception of Mary is perfectly acceptable without intrincate theologies.

1st) Because God is omnipotent (sufficient argument)
2nd) Because there are historical precedents of creation without sin and conception without sin (plausible argument)

All humans are made by God. Mary, like Eve, was also made. But the divine act of creation of all and every human being doesn’t automatically imply sin in all cases. The will of God makes here the difference. If Eve was created by God without sin, Mary also can be created by God without sin. Adam and Eve are the historical precedent of creation without sin. This doesn’t mean put on the same level Eve and Mary because Mary as Theotokos has received multitude of graces.

But Mary was conceived, yes and Eve wasn’t. Curiously, neither the biological act of conception doesn’t automatically imply sin in all cases. Jesus was conceived (but not created) in Mary’s womb. He was conceived without sin. So the physical act of conception isn’t necessarily equivalent to original sin (Jesus, who is fully God but also fully man is the evidence). Is perfectly assumable to think that Mary was also conceived without original sin.Jesus was conceived without sin. Therefore is not impossible, biologically speaking, that Mary also can be conceived without sin. God’s will and God’s omnipotence is again the variable of explanation. This doesn’t mean put on the same level Jesus and Mary because Jesus is Omnipotent God that has and gives all graces and Mary is only a creature that only can receive graces, God willing.

Saludos.
 
Mary, like Eve, was also made. 😉

The Inmaculate Conception of Mary is perfectly acceptable without intrincate theologies.

1st) Because God is omnipotent (sufficient argument)
2nd) Because there are historical precedents of creation without sin and conception without sin (plausible argument)

All humans are made by God. Mary, like Eve, was also made. But the divine act of creation of all and every human being doesn’t automatically imply sin in all cases. The will of God makes here the difference. If Eve was created by God without sin, Mary also can be created by God without sin. Adam and Eve are the historical precedent of creation without sin. This doesn’t mean put on the same level Eve and Mary because Mary as Theotokos has received multitude of graces.

But Mary was conceived, yes and Eve wasn’t. Curiously, neither the biological act of conception doesn’t automatically imply sin in all cases. Jesus was conceived (but not created) in Mary’s womb. He was conceived without sin. So the physical act of conception isn’t necessarily equivalent to original sin (Jesus, who is fully God but also fully man is the evidence). Is perfectly assumable to think that Mary was also conceived without original sin.Jesus was conceived without sin. Therefore is not impossible, biologically speaking, that Mary also can be conceived without sin. God’s will and God’s omnipotence is again the variable of explanation. This doesn’t mean put on the same level Jesus and Mary because Jesus is Omnipotent God that has and gives all graces and Mary is only a creature that only can receive graces, God willing.

Saludos.
I can See how Jesus was born without sin (besides being God)… By Mary accepting Christ for who He was, she would be without sin because she has excepted the fulfillment of the law and salvation from Original sin. Thus Jesus wouldnot have sin becuase it is not inherited (besides being God). How would Mary avoid inheritance of sin if her parents had sin?
Or am I over thinking it somehow? or is it flawed?
 
I can See how Jesus was born without sin (besides being God)… By Mary accepting Christ for who He was, she would be without sin because she has excepted the fulfillment of the law and salvation from Original sin. Thus Jesus wouldnot have sin becuase it is not inherited (besides being God). How would Mary avoid inheritance of sin if her parents had sin?
Or am I over thinking it somehow? or is it flawed?
Think of it like this… Mary was given immunity from contracting the disease of sin.
 
I can See how Jesus was born without sin (besides being God)… By Mary accepting Christ for who He was, she would be without sin because she has excepted the fulfillment of the law and salvation from Original sin. Thus Jesus wouldnot have sin becuase it is not inherited (besides being God). How would Mary avoid inheritance of sin if her parents had sin?
Or am I over thinking it somehow? or is it flawed?
You’re not over-thinking it, but your thinking is a bit flawed. 🙂

Because Mary was to be the Mother of the Redeemer, he preserved her from all stain of original sin at the moment of her conception in her mother’s womb. This is call the Immaculate Conception. It didn’t require Mary’s mother, St. Anne to have been sinless for God to accomplish it.

I think it’s how God preserved Mary from original sin is where you are stumped, yes?

Jesus’ redemption is effective in the past, the present, and the future. Mary was redeemed/preserved free from original sin at the moment of her conception through her Son’s redemption on the cross–because she was to be the Second Eve whose “Fiat” canceled Eve’s “No,” bringing into the world the Second Adam. God is not bound by time or space to do his will.

Mary was a free agent, all the same. She could have told God no, and she could have sinned, but she didn’t because she gave herself to God in all things. She is our model for holiness and faithfulness as another human being who did all she did in and through the power of the Holy Spirit.
 
I can See how Jesus was born without sin (besides being God)… By Mary accepting Christ for who He was, she would be without sin because she has excepted the fulfillment of the law and salvation from Original sin. Thus Jesus wouldnot have sin becuase it is not inherited (besides being God). How would Mary avoid inheritance of sin if her parents had sin?
Or am I over thinking it somehow? or is it flawed?
The angel called Mary “full of grace” BEFORE she said yes to being the Mother of God. 👍

Ergo, her sinlessness was not attached to or dependent upon or caused by her acceptance of God’s will to be His Mother.
 
By Mary accepting Christ for who He was, she would be without sin because she has excepted the fulfillment of the law and salvation from Original sin. Thus Jesus wouldnot have sin becuase it is not inherited (besides being God). How would Mary avoid inheritance of sin if her parents had sin?
Or am I over thinking it somehow? or is it flawed?
Well, I think you’re as many of us when we are confronted with divine mysteries :D. Your question is interesting and complicated to answer because I’m not a theologian and it’s easy to fall in pelagianism or another heresies if you say things without care. The Inmaculate Conception, as the Holy Trinity, is a sacred mystery very difficult to understand, so I’ll try to explain my perspective, the best that I can, although I’m afraid I could easily fall in some sort of heresy . Apologies in any case.

What is the original sin? In a simplified way the original sin is a true and real sin. It’s not an extrinsecal imputation of Adan’s sin but a sin that spreads by inheritance and therefore each one of us has an inherent original sin. The sin is inherited, but not theorically imputed but personally suffered. The original sin consist in the absence of divine and holy grace. And is a sin attached to the human nature because is by means of generations as we inherit the sin directly from Adam. So it’s transmitted. The sacrament of baptism washes the original sin but doesn’t remove the natural concupiscence, neither the cause of the sin (Adam’s disobedience) that is latent and vigent in any process of generation.

So, in the beginning we can understand that the biological act of conception (but not the divine act of creation of the human soul that is parallel to the act of conception) should imply the original sin because it’s the human generation the process throught the original sin is transmitted. Mary and Jesus were **biologically conceived **and therefore Jesus, not as fully God but as fully human, and Mary were suceptible to receive the original sin by biological inheritance. But the original sin was not transmitted to them. The questions appear then: How? When? Why not only Jesus? Why both?

The reason of why the original sin was not transmitted was the preservation of the complete holiness of the second person of the Holy Trinity in the process of incarnation. The Lord Jesus is fully sinless. Jesus as fully God is in nature sinless but also as fully human,. The homousios guarantees that His two natures (divine and human) cannot be different (for example a divine nature sinless and a human one with sin). That ‘sinlessness’ includes the absence of the original sin. Moreover Jesus is the source of all graces and the original sin means absence of divine and holy grace. If Jesus had “suffered” the original sin He couldn’t be the source of any grace. It’s a logical principe: you cannot give what you do not have. The transmission of the original sin was ceased in a point of the generation before Jesus. The Catholic Church teachs us with its authority the point was when Mary was conceived. It’s logical to think the stop of the transmission of the original sin happened in Mary’s life in the sense that the best and more natural way to preserve Jesus ‘sinlessness’ being He conceived in His mother’s womb (sharing blood, flesh, etc) is preserving His mother (in flesh and spirit) from any sin.

Some people here make question like: In what moment was Mary preserved from sins? Is really necessary that she was preserved of the original sin? Why not only preserved by sins just after she was born? Or only just before Jesus’ conception? The reason is easy. The original sin is forgiven in each person by infusion of God’s grace but the effect of the original sin cannot be eradicated because in the process of biological generation is inevitably present. And is inevitably transmitted So God not only had to infuse full grace to Mary but also excepcionally to eradicate the biological dimension of the original sin in her conception to remove completely the transmission. Therefore Mary cannot have original sin. A Virgin Mary with original sin necessarily imply transmission of the original sin to Jesus..

In this point one must ask: But is it possible to think Jesus’ sinlessness could have been preserved in other way?, lets say for example, in the moment of Jesus conception. It would be perfectly possible, but the original sin (as any sin) needs to be removed (washed) by means of God’s grace and Jesus’ redemption. Jesus cannot redeem Himself because He is the redemption of the world. He doesn’t need to be redeemed. The redemption cannot be redeemed like one cause cannot be efect of its same cause (‘Causa sui’). At the same time He was conceived with His divine graces so He didn’t need to infuse more graces to Himself to preserve Himself from original sin. Grace and redemption only can be applied to someone with necessity and conditions of receive redemption and grace. Therefore it’s not logical to think the preservation of the sinlessness of Jesus should be aplied to Him. Although He didn’t need any grace, neither redemption, He, being biologically conceived was in risk to receive the original sin from His mother. Therefore it’s necessary His mother was preserved from original sin by God and thanks of the infinite merits of his Son.

That’s my aproximation to the subject and probably it has some theological errors. In any case, I prefer to trust in the infallible authoriy of the Church that in my fallible knowledge. Perhaps the most solid argument in favor of the Inmaculate Conception is hidden in the Sacred Scriptures and expressed by many Church Fathers. They explain better why Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant, why she has to be completely inmaculate and pure to bear inside God. That means without any stain of sin, included the original sin.
 
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