What were the post-Vatican II changes like to live through?

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Yes, I see what you mean. We all have different likes and dislikes. Yours reminds me of a desert type of spirituality. In the end when it comes to prayer, closing ones eyes seeking God in the midst of the darkness, his light shines brightest in the darkness.
 
A wise old priest once said the glory and beauty of the Churches was so that when we walked in the door we felt a heavenly presence. A knowing that it was somewhere unlike the rest of the world. The beauty of the Church was to be a representative of heaven, and the angels and saints.
We lost a lot of that after Vatican II but there does seem to be a definite move to restore a lot of the beauty.
That heavenly presence can also be felt in more modern architecture if it’s done well.

For me, a good example of this is the interior of the Cathedral of Saint Mary of the Assumption in San Francisco. Thoroughly modern both inside and out (completed in 1971) and yet when I enter the cathedral, I cannot help but feel a heavenly presence due to the design of the interior. For me, I get an instant sense that I’ve entered a very holy place.

Here’s a photo of its interior (that really doesn’t to justice to it):

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I go to an FSSP parish for Mass in the extraordinary form every week. During the week I participate in the Novus Ordo Mass. I have grown to appreciate the similarities and the differences in both forms of the Mass, though my personal preference is for the extraordinary form of the Mass.

If you would like to get acquainted with the “old” Mass, be careful what church you go. The Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter is in communion with Rome, and they may be active in your diocese.
 
They are getting closer but not close enough yet. I keep praying.
You are mistaking the FSSPX (Society of St. Pius X) and FSSP (Fraternal Society of St. Peter). The FSSP is a traditional society that sprung from the SSPX in 1988 in order to avoid excommunication along with the rest of the society. The standing of FSSP and the Church has never been an issue.
 
You are mistaking the FSSPX (Society of St. Pius X) and FSSP (Fraternal Society of St. Peter). The FSSP is a traditional society that sprung from the SSPX in 1988 in order to avoid excommunication along with the rest of the society. The standing of FSSP and the Church has never been an issue.
I’m sorry, I think I should have been clearer. I mean the FSSP parishes are getting closer to my area so that hopefully one day I would be able to attend one. I already support them and follow them in other ways.
 
I think it is easy to forget that there was a lot of experimentation generally in the 1960s and a great rush by some to “modern” ideas that were embraced on faith in the “ideals” behind them. I was talking to a priest the other day who was studying in Rome (newly ordained) during Vatican II. He said there was a great deal of naive excitement surrounding the Council, such as young priests who just assumed that marriage was on their horizon. He never bought into that, and he was right.

At any rate, there was an upheaval at the time even in secular and Protestant music, architecture, and social expectations. Church attendance rose somewhat just after the War and then declined in the 1960s across all major religions in the US. Intermarriage was experienced by essentially every denomination: think Bridget Loves Bernie. I think we were doomed to get caught up in some of it for the same reason that John Kennedy was able to get elected: that is, Catholics who “assimilated” were finally accepted as “mainstream.” There was this idea that being “like everybody else” was, on the whole, better than the wariness about neighbors who were Protestant, and generally a good thing. I don’t think there was an appreciation of how our identity as Catholics might suffer as a result. (cont)
 
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I was very young during Vatican II and really can’t remember Mass without English even though I can remember taking the Missals to church that had Latin on one side and English on the other and then later not taking them. I do remember that our parish out in the country with a religious order priest from outside the archdiocese held on to the Baltimore Catechism, eucharistic adoration and processions and the like for much longer than the parishes in the nearby towns did. The students from our parish had catechism because we didn’t have a parish school.

I also remember Mom used to wear a little lace cap to church, but I also remember she used to dress up to go to the grocery store or to a department store. Judging by all the other changes going on both inside the Church and outside of it, I can’t see that Vatican II can be named as the cause. I think it was an attempt to respond to changes in the world, a response that had mixed results.

As an example: When students from our rural public school (who learned our catechism in classes taught by our volunteer moms, mostly) went to the Catholic high school in a nearby town, we were shocked at how little even the best students who had gone to Catholic school knew about the Faith, even though they were taught by the sisters at their parish school. The sisters were very orthodox, so they must have chosen some new teaching materials, I guess. It wasn’t that they were teaching things that were wrong so much as all memorization had been taken out of the lessons, just as grammar seems to have been taken out of their English curriculum as a stand-alone subject, which had also not happened at our little country school. We knew what the holy days were off of the top of our heads just as we knew what the parts of speech were and how to diagram a sentence. We couldn’t imagine it was possible to go to a Catholic school and not learn those things, but so it was.

When we talk about accepting change we have to remember that the changes in the Church weren’t the only forms of upheaval taking place. Lots of things were changing at what seemed a very fast clip at the time. By most accounts I can find, there was a slight rise in church attendance in the 1950s followed by a rather precipitous drop.

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I would agree with those who say that the major changes were accepted because at the time questioning the bishops or the Pope just wasn’t done but also that some areas, especially in the cities, rushed headlong into every kind of change they could accomplish on the blind “the new way is better mentality,” whereas out in the hinterlands there was more of a tendency to make only the changes that were mandated, hanging on to as much of the old way of doing things as was allowed.

Our church still has its historic altarpiece to this day, its confessional have always been used, the same Stations of the Cross have been used every Friday during Lent, and so on, but the altar rail was removed, an altar was placed in front of the high altar, and the more ornate details of the painted decorations were painted over rather than curated when it came time to repaint.
 
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Pope Benedict would agree since he was there. The goal was to destroy the Church. To tear out the interiors and replace it with a meeting hall look. To purposely confuse catechesis and to sever ties with the Church in Catholic institutions of higher learning. The changes were very bad. No creativity was authorized. Fortunately, pastors and Catholics in the pews are returning statues, artwork, communion and altar rails because of “what happened in the '60s.” No mystery.
 
Pope Benedict would agree since he was there. The goal was to destroy the Church. To tear out the interiors and replace it with a meeting hall look. To purposely confuse catechesis and to sever ties with the Church in Catholic institutions of higher learning. The changes were very bad. No creativity was authorized. Fortunately, pastors and Catholics in the pews are returning statues, artwork, communion and altar rails because of “what happened in the '60s.” No mystery.
I’d say there was a general rush in some quarters to the “new is better” theory, just as there is now. They weren’t all trying to destroy the Church. Maybe some were, but others were convinced that everything modern was going to be an improvement. It was naive and more than a bit arrogant, but not vicious. At the same time, we are also experiencing a parallel “the old way was better” theory, and that has its own problems. That, too, can cross over into a certain arrogance, a certain naive over-confidence and definitely an inappropriate willingness to get combative with those who resist rather than leading and educating them to honest appreciation.

I am reminded of passages from The Screwtape Letters (which follow)
 
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I had not forgotten my promise to consider whether we should make the patient an extreme patriot or an extreme pacifist. All extremes, except extreme devotion to the Enemy, are to be encouraged. Not always, of course, but at this period. Some ages are lukewarm and complacent, and then it is our business to soothe them yet faster asleep. Other ages, of which the present is one, are unbalanced and prone to faction, and it is our business to inflame them. Any small coterie, bound together by some interest which other men dislike or ignore, tends to develop inside itself a hothouse mutual admiration, and towards the outer world, a great deal of pride and hatred which is entertained without shame because the “Cause” is its sponsor and it is thought to be impersonal. Even when the little group exists originally for the Enemy’s own purposes, this remains true. We want the Church to be small not only that fewer men may know the Enemy but also that those who do may acquire the uneasy intensity and the defensive self-rightousness of a secret society or a clique. The Church herself is, of course, heavily defended and we have never yet quite succeeded in giving her all the characteristics of a faction; but subordinate factions within her have often produced admirable results, from the parties of Paul and of Apollos at Corinth down to the High and Low parties in the Church of England

Your affectionate uncle

SCREWTAPE
 
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And of course this:
I think I warned you before that if your patient can’t be kept out of the Church, he ought at least to be violently attached to some party within it. I don’t mean on really doctrinal issues; about those, the more lukewarm he is the better. And it isn’t the doctrines on which we chiefly depend for producing malice. The real fun is working up hatred between those who say “mass” and those who say “holy communion” when neither party could possibly state the difference between, say, Hooker’s doctrine and Thomas Aquinas’, in any form which would hold water for five minutes. And all the purely indifferent things—candles and clothes and what not—are an admirable ground for our activities. We have quite removed from men’s minds what that pestilent fellow Paul used to teach about food and other unessentials—namely, that the human without scruples should always give in to the human with scruples. You would think they could not fail to see the application. You would expect to find the “low” churchman genuflecting and crossing himself lest the weak conscience of his “high” brother should be moved to irreverence, and the “high” one refraining from these exercises lest he should betray his “low” brother into idolatry. And so it would have been but for our ceaseless labour. Without that the variety of usage within the Church of England might have become a positive hotbed of charity and humility,

*Your affectionate uncle *
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It would be admirable if the variety of usages within the Roman Rite were to become a hotbed of charity and humilty, something we could see as a variety of “microclimates” within Holy Mother Church that exist so that faith can be fanned into greater zeal in spite of the great amount of natural variation in temperament and background and circumstance that will inevitably exist in a Church that is both one and catholic at the same time. Of course the boundaries of apostolic and holy must be in place, but that leaves a good deal of room for variation, as the bishops and the Holy See recognize.

Yes, we might wish that mutual tolerance existed from the start, but we can’t change the past. We don’t know what will come in the future. We can only control what we do now. I think we ought to be as accomodating to the variations allowed by the Church as we can be without tolerating what are objectively abuses or acts of disobedience.
 
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This is not what actually happened, however. Catholics should know their history. Without an established history, it is easier to allow error to continue, which it has. Right after the end of Vatican II, certain groups were formed and certain things happened quite quickly. One example concerns Catholic universities:

The Land O’ Lakes Statement Has Caused Devastation For 50 Years - Cardinal Newman Society
What “that” are you referring to?

Without weaving a blanket that covers everyone to an unfair degree, I would totally agree that many and perhaps most Catholic universities in the US have at least some faculty members willing to unmoor themselves from the Magesterium in an effort to exert the “academic freedom” necessary to “distinguish” themselves by writing things that are in my view outrageous enough to get them noticed and talked about.

This is a pet peeve of mine, obviously. Theologians at universities that are even nominally Catholic have a unique and powerful position from which to either enlighten or mislead. When that position is used to mislead, even unintentionally, the consequences will predictably be tragic. It is unfortunate that they are not under the direct control of the Magesterium. Sorry, but when any person or institution says they are teaching the Catholic Faith, the bishops ought to be able to supervise that this is with certainty the Catholic Faith, only the Catholic Faith and nothing but the Catholic faith. If they don’t want to teach that, let them at least call it philosophy and not sacred theology.

I have no idea what this has to do with the original thread topic, because I don’t have any personal memory of the changes in academia that occured immediately after Vatican II or how much the changes are necessarily connected to Vatican II rather than to changes generally taking place in society that were outside the direct control of the Council and anything it did or failed to do.
 
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After reading many threads here, the obvious answer is Vatican II became the scapegoat. Meanwhile, those who used it as cover went about attacking the Church and Western society in general. When any Catholic asks, what happened? How did we get from the 1960s to today, they should get an answer based on factual reports from those who were there and secondary sources who can show that Event A led to Event B.

Pope John Paul II clamped down on the example I provided. http://w2.vatican.va/content/john-p...hf_jp-ii_apc_15081990_ex-corde-ecclesiae.html

This thread is about post-Vatican II changes.
 
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After reading many threads here, the obvious answer is Vatican II became the scapegoat. Meanwhile, those who used it as cover went about attacking the Church and Western society in general. When any Catholic asks, what happened? How did we get from the 1960s to today, they should get an answer based on factual reports from those who were there and secondary sources who can show that Event A led to Event B.

Pope John Paul II clamped down on the example I provided. http://w2.vatican.va/content/john-p...hf_jp-ii_apc_15081990_ex-corde-ecclesiae.html

This thread is about post-Vatican II changes.
Yes. I think the Council was called in order to cope with changes all over the world, but particularly in Europe, that posed threats to souls and yet also opportunities for evangelization. The Pope’s sense that it was needed didn’t come out of thin air. It was a tumultuous century that only looked to get more so.

Having said that, the question was specific, not broad:
What was it like to be a Catholic from the period from 1965 (end of the Second Vatican Council) to the mid-1970s? …

I wasn’t there. I don’t know what it was like. I just got in for the last quarter, so to speak.

Can anyone share their thoughts?
I lived in a little parish out in the country that changed much less than the prevailing norm, but we went to high school with students from parishes that changed either a little less or about the same as the norm. Out where we were, we only heard about the places that changed tremendously from those who were attending college at the time and sometimes from the priests who were shaking their heads in disbelief.

The charismatic renewal, for instance, supposedly started on the east coast in 1967, but it was the late 1970s or so before it got to anyone I knew. By that time, the OP was Catholic and so knows as much as I do.
 
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I have covered that period in my previous responses. A highly coordinated attack occurred inside the Church and outside of it, all designed to destroy the family, and distort Catholic teaching.
 
I lived in a little parish out in the country that changed much less than the prevailing norm, but we went to high school with students from parishes that changed either a little less or about the same as the norm. Out where we were, we only heard about the places that changed tremendously from those who were attending college at the time and sometimes from the priests who were shaking their heads in disbelief.
I remember one source of “surprises” came when we travelled for summer vacation and attended Saturday evening/Sunday Mass in different dioceses. Coming from a very liturgically conservative diocese, this made for some definite culture shock. The next diocese over, small city that was a regional center for commerce, also tended to be a bit “out there” compared to us.
 
I remember one source of “surprises” came when we travelled for summer vacation and attended Saturday evening/Sunday Mass in different dioceses. Coming from a very liturgically conservative diocese, this made for some definite culture shock. The next diocese over, small city that was a regional center for commerce, also tended to be a bit “out there” compared to us.
You’re right! Going to Mass on vacation really could be a shock. I think now we’re less shocked about being shocked. It is more like doing your best to do some internet research and then holding your breath.

Honestly, with all the women priests and sedevacantists whatnot who believe they’re more Roman Catholic than the Pope, I now make it a point to find Catholic churches on vacation by going on the diocesan websites to find what churches proposing themselves as “Catholic” are actually under the local bishop. You can’t go by “Roman Catholic” in the church’s name any more.

That would have been unthinkable when I was growing up. A Catholic church was just a Catholic church. Again, I was really young, but I don’t think there was ever any question about whether there was a valid Mass being offered. After the changes, maybe not so much. There were some priests who were really out there.
 
Honestly, with all the women priests and sedevacantists whatnot who believe they’re more Roman Catholic than the Pope, I now make it a point to find Catholic churches on vacation by going on the diocesan websites to find what churches proposing themselves as “Catholic” are actually under the local bishop. You can’t go by “Roman Catholic” in the church’s name any more.
I always find that you can pretty much tell about the nature, the general “vibe” of the parish, by reading their weekly bulletin online. Websites are nice, but I find that bulletins tell you more. Put another way, if I look at a parish bulletin, then attend Mass there, I almost always say “yep, it’s pretty much what I expected”.

I refer here to legitimate Catholic parishes, not schismatic or sedevacantist congregations. I find that these are fairly obvious, though sometimes the latter can be somewhat coy about the sede vacante question. I found this so obscured on one chapel’s website that I contacted the chapel and just asked them point-blank. They were.
 
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