What would a Catholic America look like?

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A lot of self-righteous talk from your oh-so progressive city of Seattle. I from the deep south and I’m offended by that racist comment you made.
Mea culpa! I knew a voice from the south would object! Trust me when I say I am the ultimate anti-Seattlite! I have family in the Redneck Riveria and when I visit once a year, I am always astounded by the blatant racism. By no means did I mean the entire south. Truce?
 
If all Americans were faithfully practicing Catholics…

*Each family would have more children since they would be open to life. This would not necessarily pose a financial problem since

*There would be fewer women in the workplace. Women would embrace their God-given honor and blessing to raise those children. Fewer employed women would mean higher wages for the daddies.

*Hollywood and related industries would tone down the sexuality substantially. There would maybe still be an R rating for movies with heavy action scenes, but not for gratuitous sex. Avoiding the near occasion of sin is important.
Code:
 ****incidentally, this would make it much easier to raise morally upright children who aren't bombarded with those images from a relatively early age.
*With the women exercising their right to mother their own children, there would likely (though not necessarily) be more home cooking. This would benefit the health of the average American family.

Please don’t get me wrong here. I am a woman. I am offended that my gender has been hijacked to create a myth that motherhood and domestic wifery is to be looked down upon with pity and sometimes even disgust. Careers are great, but there is no higher calling for a woman (in the grand scheme of things) than motherhood.

***One more thing…“Desperate Housewives” would be a sitcom or reality show about moms homeschooling more than 7 children at once. 😃 “A Few Good Men” would be an in depth look at the formation of young men discerning a vocation to the priesthood. Fr. Corapi would have a primetime show on one of the major networks. Sadly, “the Journey Home” wouldn’t exist because we would already all be Catholic.:o

OOO…All the restaurants would feature meatless dishes on Friday!!! Good Friday would be a National Holiday so all the dads could be home for the way of the Cross around the Church. Displaying the Nativity at businesses would be embraced. Children who aren’t homeschooled would be encouraged to pray in school!!!👍

My, this is fun…
 
If all Americans were faithfully practicing Catholics…

*Each family would have more children since they would be open to life. This would not necessarily pose a financial problem since

*There would be fewer women in the workplace. Women would embrace their God-given honor and blessing to raise those children. Fewer employed women would mean higher wages for the daddies.

*Hollywood and related industries would tone down the sexuality substantially. There would maybe still be an R rating for movies with heavy action scenes, but not for gratuitous sex. Avoiding the near occasion of sin is important.
Code:
 ****incidentally, this would make it much easier to raise morally upright children who aren't bombarded with those images from a relatively early age.
*With the women exercising their right to mother their own children, there would likely (though not necessarily) be more home cooking. This would benefit the health of the average American family.

Please don’t get me wrong here. I am a woman. I am offended that my gender has been hijacked to create a myth that motherhood and domestic wifery is to be looked down upon with pity and sometimes even disgust. Careers are great, but there is no higher calling for a woman (in the grand scheme of things) than motherhood.

***One more thing…“Desperate Housewives” would be a sitcom or reality show about moms homeschooling more than 7 children at once. 😃 “A Few Good Men” would be an in depth look at the formation of young men discerning a vocation to the priesthood. Fr. Corapi would have a primetime show on one of the major networks. Sadly, “the Journey Home” wouldn’t exist because we would already all be Catholic.:o

OOO…All the restaurants would feature meatless dishes on Friday!!! Good Friday would be a National Holiday so all the dads could be home for the way of the Cross around the Church. Displaying the Nativity at businesses would be embraced. Children who aren’t homeschooled would be encouraged to pray in school!!!👍

My, this is fun…
That was awesome! Thanks!
 
Mea culpa! I knew a voice from the south would object! Trust me when I say I am the ultimate anti-Seattlite! I have family in the Redneck Riveria and when I visit once a year, I am always astounded by the blatant racism. By no means did I mean the entire south. Truce?
“Redneck”? I do not think that a Catholic America would have such unrestrained prejudice against Celts.:irish1:
 
“Redneck”? I do not think that a Catholic America would have such unrestrained prejudice against Celts.:irish1:
My uncle is part Celtic. 🙂 (I’m not, but his mom married an Irish man after her divorce way back in the mid 1950s). Of course, they were Protestant Celts, not Catholic Celts.

Our Lutheran church (ok, that doesn’t quite count) has a dozen Celtic crosses going up the small stairway to the church.
 
If all Americans were faithfully practicing Catholics…

*Each family would have more children since they would be open to life. This would not necessarily pose a financial problem since

*There would be fewer women in the workplace. Women would embrace their God-given honor and blessing to raise those children. Fewer employed women would mean higher wages for the daddies.

*Hollywood and related industries would tone down the sexuality substantially. There would maybe still be an R rating for movies with heavy action scenes, but not for gratuitous sex. Avoiding the near occasion of sin is important.

****incidentally, this would make it much easier to raise morally upright children who aren’t bombarded with those images from a relatively early age.

*With the women exercising their right to mother their own children, there would likely (though not necessarily) be more home cooking. This would benefit the health of the average American family.

Please don’t get me wrong here. I am a woman. I am offended that my gender has been hijacked to create a myth that motherhood and domestic wifery is to be looked down upon with pity and sometimes even disgust. Careers are great, but there is no higher calling for a woman (in the grand scheme of things) than motherhood.

***One more thing…“Desperate Housewives” would be a sitcom or reality show about moms homeschooling more than 7 children at once. 😃 “A Few Good Men” would be an in depth look at the formation of young men discerning a vocation to the priesthood. Fr. Corapi would have a primetime show on one of the major networks. Sadly, “the Journey Home” wouldn’t exist because we would already all be Catholic.:o

OOO…All the restaurants would feature meatless dishes on Friday!!! Good Friday would be a National Holiday so all the dads could be home for the way of the Cross around the Church. Displaying the Nativity at businesses would be embraced. Children who aren’t homeschooled would be encouraged to pray in school!!!👍

My, this is fun…
Sounds kind of like Ireland…although, according to Frank McCourt, even before Vatican II Ireland was hardly free of pornography, drunkenness, and other vices.

There are downsides to living in countries where it is just assumed that everybody is Catholic. These places have existed, and they weren’t Paradise on earth.

I’m not saying that it would be bad to have lots of practicing Catholics here. I guess I’m saying we should maybe count our blessings and bloom where we’re planted, especially since we have been planted in soil that has what a Catholic needs: freedom to worship, a quorum of other Catholics, and lots of work to do.
 
A country in which everyone was a practicing Catholic? How about a country in which every practicing Catholic was truly opening their hearts to the love of God, and putting that love into living action towards every human with which they had contact? :eek: In other words, how about a country in which every practicing Catholic was truly loving “Jesus in His distressing disguise”?

Now THAT is something beyond this fantasy topic and actual arguing. We CAN actually be the love of God in the world. Who has been touched by the love of Jesus through YOU today? Or have you been just sitting at your computer arguing with someone you don’t even know?

In the words of my son, “Turn off the computer.” In the words of Jesus, “Love your neighbor as yourself” and “Judge not lest you be judged.”

Gertie (who is turning off the computer right now)
 
A country in which everyone was a practicing Catholic? How about a country in which every practicing Catholic was truly opening their hearts to the love of God, and putting that love into living action towards every human with which they had contact? :eek: In other words, how about a country in which every practicing Catholic was truly loving “Jesus in His distressing disguise”?
Yup. That was my originial question. What if everyone in America was a Catholic who practiced his/her faith, who was truly loving “Jesus in His distressing disguise”
 
Yup. That was my originial question. What if everyone in America was a Catholic who practiced his/her faith, who was truly loving “Jesus in His distressing disguise”
Another name for this is the Kingdom of God. Everyone will be Catholic and loving one another. There would be no crime and no one will use God’s name disrespectfully like seen on the media. The media would be censored.🙂 All bad music and videos would be thrown into the sea.There would be no jails because everyone would treat everyone with kindness.
 
Another name for this is the Kingdom of God. Everyone will be Catholic and loving one another. There would be no crime and no one will use God’s name disrespectfully like seen on the media. The media would be censored.🙂 All bad music and videos would be thrown into the sea.There would be no jails because everyone would treat everyone with kindness.
Well, in this exercise in fantasy, my question stipulated that this Catholic America would not be a perfect America because we all still have the burden of original sin.

Thus, even if everyone in this fantastical America was a Catholic who practiced his/her faith, the Kingdom of God would yet to be made manifest
 
Fewer LEGAL abortions, women who could afford it going to Mexico or Canada:(

Less divorce, increased desertion rates, more children raised in a disfunctional environment:(

More poverty from more families struggling to raise more children:(

More crime from unwanted children raised in poverty:(

More alcoholism and drug addiction from those living a life of “quiet desperation”😦

But probably an increase in religious callings:thumbsup:
IF people are living a truly Catholic lifestyle-- which is the very premise of the question— praying family Rosaries, keeping their minds pure, striving for chastity, following the Biblical command to love your neighbor as yourself, “husbands, love your wives,” putting God first, nurturing their prayer lives, etc., etc…

they would not be getting pregnant out of wedlock in the first place, and most certainly would not be getting abortions, legal OR illegal…

…families would be happier, and divorce, desertion, and desperately dysfunctional marriages would be uncommon…

… far fewer people would be seeking solace in alcohol, as they would be living a lifestyle that leads them to find solace in God.

As to poverty from families raising more children, I have a couple of thoughts:

One is that my grandparents raised 9 children, and I guess would have been ‘poor’ by today’s standards. So what? They raised 9 productive citizens who raised good kids WITHOUT EXCEPTION, who are now raising good grandchildren. Of 50 or more in our extended family, there is not a troublemaker or deadbeat among them. All are positive, contributing members of society. Of course some of us have our problems, but overall, it’s a very cheerful, positive group, too. Not a single one of them would say they’d trade in a brother or sister for having had more money growing up. And they did it without help, by the way. Large families do not require welfare.

A second thought is that I, myself, have 9 children. Yes, we’d have a whole lot more luxuries if we had 2. I much prefer having my children, who will be with me through eternity, to a nicer house. And it’s really a matter of how you spend your money. My husband does not even have a college degree, and through hard work and doing his job well, has managed to support us just fine. I don’t feel poor at all, even though our income/ family size would suggest we’re close to being officially poor. We have everything we need, and plenty more.

As to “more crime from unwanted children raised in poverty,” such a statement is not only offensive, but outright wrong. Neither ‘unwantedness’ nor poverty cause crime. Immorality causes crime. In the past, millions of people, including those who were not ‘planned,’ were raised in dire financial situations, and they did not grow up to be criminals. I’ll cite my mother’s family again.

IF people are living a truly Catholic lifestyle and following Jesus (the premise of the discussion), they are not going to be jaunting off on crime sprees because their parents couldn’t afford the newest shoes or fashions or the best computer for them.
 
Neither ‘unwantedness’ nor poverty cause crime. Immorality causes crime.
This is true…but it is also an immorality when people go without being wanted and are poor without being given a care by those who are rich. This is true even when the poor and unwanted are meek and humble enough to stay out of jail…it is found in the plain meaning of the Gospels, from the parable of the sheep and the goats to the parable of Lazarus and the rich man.

If the country were full of practicing Catholics, the poor would have many friends and the term “unwanted” would no longer apply to people. To question whether to abort or to bring an “unwanted” child into the world would be a false dilemma.
 
Have you ever read “Heaven, the Heart’s Deepest Longing” by Peter Kreeft?

The reason this speculation about a perfectly faithful, Catholic community is so fun and satisfying is deep down, we all long for just that. We will encounter it in Heaven. He asserts that our soul knows and remembers its true home and we have all heard that “our hearts are restless, oh Lord, until they rest in You”.

So, let’s get down to the business of becoming saints and helping our brothers and sisters do the same. I can’t wait!
 
Have you ever read “Heaven, the Heart’s Deepest Longing” by Peter Kreeft?

He asserts that our soul knows and remembers its true home and
Yes–loved the book. Love all things Peter Kreeft.

The only theological question I have with his assertion that our soul “remembers” its true home, is this:

My understanding of Catholic theology is that at conception God creates a new immortal soul, which never existed prior to this miraculous point. Thus, how could a soul “remember” heaven, when it’s never truly been there?

My daughter once mentioned that she and her sisters “played together in heaven” until God put them in our family. I had to correct her and say that what we’ve been taught is that they did not exist until God put them into our family. The universe was changed forever at the moment of their conception, for a new immortal soul was created for eternity.
 
I don’t think he means ‘remember’ in that way. I think he actually uses the term recognize as in was previously cognizant of. Our soul knows there is something missing that we keep trying to fill—with friends, alcohol, romance, etc. There is something for which the soul longs that cannot be attained in the earthly life. That is what he means.
 
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