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Sean_Boyle
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If abortion became illegal…
Begin the tribunal trials for “crimes against humanity” for abortion providers.
Begin the tribunal trials for “crimes against humanity” for abortion providers.
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colmywaykurtz
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That would be an unconstitutional example of “ex post facto” law, in this country. If it were being conducted worldwide (say, by the UN), would we want the UN overruling our Constitution?
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Mrs_Sally
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In the US, if Row v Wade was overturned, the various states would make their laws and women/girls would travel across state lines to get an abortion. If abortion was also illegal in eavery/most states, I imagine that underground (back alley) abortions would occur just like they used to.
Think of what happens with other things that are currently illegal (or during prohibition as someone mentioned) - a certain percentage of people do it anyway.
There needs to be more than work done than just outlawing abortion. Men need to step up to their responsibilities when their girlfriends/wives get pregnant. Women need support to raise the children they give birth to. Adoption has to become a more accepted alternative both for a pregant womand and for infertile couples.
Think of what happens with other things that are currently illegal (or during prohibition as someone mentioned) - a certain percentage of people do it anyway.
There needs to be more than work done than just outlawing abortion. Men need to step up to their responsibilities when their girlfriends/wives get pregnant. Women need support to raise the children they give birth to. Adoption has to become a more accepted alternative both for a pregant womand and for infertile couples.
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Michael_Mayo
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I don’t see an answer
Three-fourths of women who have abortions say they cannot afford a child.
And with a repeal of ACA and the individual mandate to be insured who would pay? Ryan’s budget?
Three-fourths of women who have abortions say they cannot afford a child.
And with a repeal of ACA and the individual mandate to be insured who would pay? Ryan’s budget?
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Bill_7154
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Women and men who believe in abortion would stock up on the morning after pill. People would start investigating the use of PGCL (a drug given to farm animals and elephants to induce abortions and used by body builders to shed weight quickly before a show) in the use of female humans so they could use it (basically an injection) ‘safely’ to induce abortions in human females.
Medical science has advanced since the coat hanger days. Overall a good thing, for abortion I think that it will be much, much easier to have one without a doctor with the 2 substances above. As it stands PGCL is dangerous for female humans but used by male human body builders to make their non existant uterus conract so liquid keeps coming out of their anus or a couple days before a contest. If it’s possible to use a certain dosage of that to induce abortions in females, or mix it with something else to do so, or come up with some similar drug to do so…it will hit the market…black market or white market.
Law of supply and demand. When there is demand there will always, without exception, be supply. It doesn’t matter if the vast majority of society is against it. If there is a dollar to be made somewhere someone is going to make it. This is like math, like science. It’s economic science, a LAW of supply and demand… not a maybe this might happen thing related to supply and demand.
God Bless,
Bill
Medical science has advanced since the coat hanger days. Overall a good thing, for abortion I think that it will be much, much easier to have one without a doctor with the 2 substances above. As it stands PGCL is dangerous for female humans but used by male human body builders to make their non existant uterus conract so liquid keeps coming out of their anus or a couple days before a contest. If it’s possible to use a certain dosage of that to induce abortions in females, or mix it with something else to do so, or come up with some similar drug to do so…it will hit the market…black market or white market.
Law of supply and demand. When there is demand there will always, without exception, be supply. It doesn’t matter if the vast majority of society is against it. If there is a dollar to be made somewhere someone is going to make it. This is like math, like science. It’s economic science, a LAW of supply and demand… not a maybe this might happen thing related to supply and demand.
God Bless,
Bill
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Robert_Sock
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If abortion is illegal, can society care for all the children born out of wedlock?
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Michael_Mayo
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If society could care for all the children born our of wedlock we would probably have fewer abortions.
The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a woman’s education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%). Nearly four in 10 women said they had completed their childbearing, and almost one-third were not ready to have a child. Fewer than 1% said their parents’ or partners’ desire for them to have an abortion was the most important reason. Younger women often reported that they were unprepared for the transition to motherhood, while older women regularly cited their responsibility to dependents.
The decision to have an abortion is typically motivated by multiple, diverse and interrelated reasons. The themes of responsibility to others and resource limitations, such as financial constraints and lack of partner support, recurred throughout the study.
guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3711005.pdf
The abortion rate among women living below the federal poverty level is nearly four times that of women above 200% of poverty.
womenscenter.com/abortion_stats.html
The proportion of abortion patients who were poor increased by almost 60%—from 27% in 2000 to 42% in 2008,
guttmacher.org/media/nr/2010/05/04/index.html
As Catholics we do not condone birth control nor sexual relations outside of marriage. But in our culture, celibacy for all young unmarried people is an unrealistic expectation. We certainly do not condone abortion. The most we can do is make sure some assistance is availible for unwed mothers but it has to be abuse proof. Child healthcare vouchers? Vouchers for infant supplies? We do not want to reward unwed mothers with unrestricted funds.
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TarkanAttila
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I hear what you’re talking about. But I don’t think an abortion ban alone would cause the kind of shock I think you are worried about. It would cause some shock - many bottom-feeding doctors would be put out of business. Planned Parenthood would go out of business. Some women who wanted abortions would seek back-alley abortions. But most would just go back to resenting the government.
Which is why I don’t think it’s enough to make abortion illegal again. There has to be a serious reform of the American people’s minds.
But reforming the entire American culture to be completely pro-life, anti-contraception, etc., on the other hand, might be something analogous to cutting a heroin addict off cold turkey. Gonna take a while…
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Robert_Sock
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You got this right. Changing peoples minds to God should be the priority of the Church. Keep teaching the Gospels!!! Ending abortion cold turkey will have a lot of negative consequences unless peoples minds are changed.
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Giggly_Giraffe
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Yes, “Pro-life”/“Pro-choice” is too simplistic. The real issue over abortion is how mankind treats sexuality. Is sex something guranteeded for every human to experience at any cost (view of Margaret Sanger) or is there a dignity owed to sex (Catholic Church)? Should sexual experiences be gluttonous, or should they be treasured as an experience leading to God and life? Should eugenics control the fruit of the poor’s condition or should society gather to support the poor?
One other major issue you miss is how the pornography, & human trafficking issues would be influenced. The abortion/contraception erra has brought about a multi-billion dollar industry to exploit sex. An Abortion ban would create a title wave in the adult, porno, & human trafficking industries. Yes, it would get worse before it got better — but I believe toit would balance of sexual dignity.
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TarkanAttila
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Oh, I didn’t say we shouldn’t want abortion to be banned this very minute forwards. It would be a very good thing. An increase of people would be a great thing for the economy.
BUT it would have to be supplemented. An abortion ban ALONE would do nothing to fix the past 50 years of ingrained selfishness, irresponsibility, and loneliness (among other things) brought on by this society. We will need to teach our people - somehow - how to live WITHOUT abortion… again. As it used to be before Roe. And after the Roman Empire.
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Elizabeth502
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In which case, they should not be fornicating. (And the vast majority of U.S. abortions are in unmarried women, which statistics are also available from Guttmcher.)
Sex assumes the possibility of conception if you are within child-bearing age, and the younger, the more so, due to fertility. Contraception itself does not guarantee no pregnancy. Contraception sometimes fails. And you will find that most women who do conceive outside of wedlock have actually not been using contraception contiguous with that conception, even when such contraception was available/affordable/free to them. Again, the Guttmacher charts reveal that young women who conceive used contraception “sometime during that month.” (Yeah, that works.
)Then, again, if you can’t afford a child, abstain. (What a concept.)
Both partners are committing to the possibility of a child every time they have sex.
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Michael_Mayo
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No argument.
But getting young people to abstain from having sex is even more difficult than overturning Roe V Wade. Your judgement on those who fornicate is useless.
So as a practical matter how do you answer the question, with a repeal of ACA and the individual mandate to be insured who would pays?
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Michael_Mayo
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It all really is an evangelization issue: how we view sexuality, take responsibility for it as well as the life it creates.
Robert Sock and TarkanAttila speak of the needed change in peoples minds.
Current thinking is distorted and thus sin soaked.
How do we change it? How do we effectively evangelize?
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Michael_Mayo
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I have not yet read the whole thing but I am hoping this new research will shed some light on why the “Religious Unaffiliated” are growing.
With their rising numbers, the religiously unaffiliated are an increasingly important segment of the electorate. In the 2008 presidential election, they voted as heavily for Barack Obama as white evangelical Protestants did for John McCain. More than six-in-ten religiously unaffiliated registered voters are Democrats (39%) or lean toward the Democratic Party (24%). They are about twice as likely to describe themselves as political liberals than as conservatives, and **solid majorities support legal abortion (72%) **and same-sex marriage (73%). In the last five years, the unaffiliated have risen from 17% to 24% of all registered voters who are Democrats or lean Democratic.
pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Unaffiliated/NonesOnTheRise-full.pdf
With their rising numbers, the religiously unaffiliated are an increasingly important segment of the electorate. In the 2008 presidential election, they voted as heavily for Barack Obama as white evangelical Protestants did for John McCain. More than six-in-ten religiously unaffiliated registered voters are Democrats (39%) or lean toward the Democratic Party (24%). They are about twice as likely to describe themselves as political liberals than as conservatives, and **solid majorities support legal abortion (72%) **and same-sex marriage (73%). In the last five years, the unaffiliated have risen from 17% to 24% of all registered voters who are Democrats or lean Democratic.
pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Unaffiliated/NonesOnTheRise-full.pdf
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TarkanAttila
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The trillion dollar question.
I fear God alone knows how minds are changed in the end. I wish that I could change minds.
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Michael_Mayo
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I think part of the problem is that many people do not view the child in the womb as a being who yet experiences pain since it is not yet taken a breath, opened its eyes, became conscious.
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