What would happen if the Pope proclaimed a wrong doctrine

[Sir_Knight]

The Pope declaring something as infallible makes it infallible. Not all statements made by the Pope are infallible – only the ones that he declares as such.

 

[promethius95945]

The Pope declaring something as infallible makes it infallible. Not all statements made by the Pope are infallible – only the ones that he declares as such.

I think what he was getting at is that the statement which IS infallible was already so before the pope spoke it because that which is universally true about the universe has always been true. For example, Mary was the immaculate conception from the moment she was conceived. She did not become the immaculate conception only after she was dogmatically defined to be.

 

[Randy_Carson]

Pope Honorius comes to mind, though I won’t have full access to a better reference until I get home.

Wrong.

Honorius was not about to teach an error; he failed to act in sufficient manner to prevent the spread of an error not of his own initiative.

catholic.com/thisrock/2000/0010fea5.asp

Hope this helps. :tiphat:

 

[promethius95945]

Wrong.

Honorius was not about to teach an error; he failed to act in sufficient manner to prevent the spread of an error not of his own initiative.

catholic.com/thisrock/2000/0010fea5.asp

Hope this helps. :tiphat:

yes, you linked to an article very similar to the one I posted. Honorious was, in fact, condemned post humously for his actions… I’ll admit though, i forgot to look up the names of the pope i know of who died right before teaching error…

 

[Sir_Knight]

I think what he was getting at is that the statement which IS infallible was already so before the pope spoke it because that which is universally true about the universe has always been true. For example, Mary was the immaculate conception from the moment she was conceived. She did not become the immaculate conception only after she was dogmatically defined to be.

Exactly. Just like a saint doesn’t become a saint by the church declaring that person to be a saint.

 

[MTD]

A valid pope can never declare a doctrine contrary to the Deposit of the Faith. So if he’s true pope, it’s out of the question that he can do that; he simply cannot fall into heresy when he is teaching as pope.

Theologians are divided, however, on whether a pope can become a heretic as a private individual. The most common opinion is that he can’t, that the Holy Spirit would protect him even from that.

Theologians are also divided on whether a pope who does become a heretic would lose office by that fact or would retain office (meanwhile being prevented by the Holy Spirit from officially teaching/declaring his heresy). It seems the opinion most supported is that should a pope become a heretic, he falls from office by that fact. In other words, he automatically resigns office by becoming a heretic.

Maria

 

[mark_a]

The Pope declaring something as infallible makes it infallible. Not all statements made by the Pope are infallible – only the ones that he declares as such.

I learned once that in order for any teaching to be infallible:

1. it must concern faith and morals only
2. it must in some way clarify
3. it must be held by the whole Church
   4. it cannot contradict any authoritative teaching
4. the pope must invoke his full authority of his office

Is this correct?

 

[BobP123]

I learned once that in order for any teaching to be infallible:

1. it must concern faith and morals only
2. it must in some way clarify
3. it must be held by the whole Church
   4. it cannot contradict any authoritative teaching
4. the pope must invoke his full authority of his office

Is this correct?

We may have to rethink this a little bit. I’m still trying to reconcile Paul VI’s Progressio Populorum with the morals part.

Population Growth

1. There is no denying that the accelerated rate of population growth brings many added difficulties to the problems of development where the size of the population grows more rapidly than the quantity of available resources to such a degree that things seem to have reached an impasse. In such circumstances people are inclined to apply drastic remedies to reduce the birth rate.

There is no doubt that public authorities can intervene in this matter, within the bounds of their competence. They can instruct citizens on this subject and adopt appropriate measures, so long as these are in conformity with the dictates of the moral law and the rightful freedom of married couples is preserved completely intact. When the inalienable right of marriage and of procreation is taken away, so is human dignity.

Finally, it is for parents to take a thorough look at the matter and decide upon the number of their children. This is an obligation they take upon themselves, before their children already born, and before the community to which they belong—following the dictates of their own consciences informed by God’s law authentically interpreted, and bolstered by their trust in Him. (39)

 

[Randy_Carson]

We may have to rethink this a little bit. I’m still trying to reconcile Paul VI’s Progressio Populorum with the morals part.

What is the contradiction?

 

[Ignatius]

i.e. what would happen if His Holiness just went mad and woke up tomorrow deciding to proclaim as an infallible doctrine that Christ had 5 natures instead of 2, or that Mary was the daughter of an angel, or some other blatantly wrong thing.

Jesus said He would protect His Church “until the end of the age”, meaning the end of time. So, if this happened, Look for Jesus to be comming in Glory because it’s the end of time.

 

[James_Carson]

chances are…the pope would die as happened to a pope who tried to proclaim an error filled bible translation as the official catholic bible

 

[BobP123]

What is the contradiction?

So you’re saying the Church preaches limiting the family?

 

[Judica]

We may have to rethink this a little bit. I’m still trying to reconcile Paul VI’s Progressio Populorum with the morals part.

I think, although a bit troubling on first read, it can be read in a perfectly orthodox manner. Certainly, the type of population explosion he is describing (which has not happened thus far) would constitute a grave reason for a couple to use NFP, and thus, would be an acceptable form of controlling the size of the family. If such a thing were to happen.