What Would It Take? (imagining)

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Now, I’m High Church Lutheran and I’m interested in opinions on how to bring the denominations closer, even if there won’t be a rejoining - 500 years can add up a lot of Changes. I can’t see a full rejoining in my lifetime, but a gradual understanding would be the first step.

On the Catholic side, the infallability and any compulsory Marian dogma would be difficult (the pre-Trent Mary appears to be fine). And the base of sexual teaching seems to be grounded in pre-modern scientific knowledge .
On the Lutheran side, the priesthood of all believers, which affects female ordination, temporary breaks in the apostolic chain etc. Acceptance of Catholic liturgical practices, monastical life etc

Any ”just turn Catholic”-posts I’m just going to ignore as not in the spirit of the thread.

(Anglicans are asked to chime in @gkMotley))
 
Probably the resolution of the following
Theologically
Petrine authority
Marian dogma
Eucharistic belief
Female clergy

Along with socially
Abortion
Gay marriage
Euthanasia
separation of church and state in regards to Anglicanism in England and Lutheranism in some northern european nations.
 
Agree with you that I think it would take the return of Jesus to get unification.

Getting them closer together? At a local level I can see them working together on particular social issues. Things like food banks, parenting support groups, maybe marriage courses. IMHO we should be doing that anyway.
 
Food banks, definitley

Child / marriage support groups… well, considering the differences between these 3 in regards to traditional marriage, that may not work out too well…
 
Female clergy

Along with socially
Abortion
Gay marriage

Those look like overall interpretations of Priesthood of all believers, but I could be wrong. And of course the downstream interpretation of sex is and only is to spread the human species.
 
As a non catholic who went to a marriage course, nothing came up I disagreed with. My parents (who are Anglican) had no problems running a marriage course where Catholics attended.
Agree your mileage may vary.
 
Well, then we get into baptismal vs ministerial priesthood…

And I’m not sure by what you mean by ‘downstream’…
 
But hasnt Anglicanism, to an extent, allowed SSM?
If the fundamental definition of the focus of the course differs between the two groups…
 
Now, I’m Scandinavian, so on the very liberal side of the spectrum.
That said, I’m no huge friend of abortions, unless lifesaving.

But … to oppose correct biological education and opposing contraceptives even for (sacramentally) married couples counts as too dumb to even be countered.
 
Catholics need to be genuinely merciful and ecumenical in all their dialogue and efforts, something of which I have failed many times.

Non-Catholics need to genuinely humble themselves and to develop a docile spirit, especially when being corrected on doctrine.
 
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I don’t think anyone here opposes biological education…

But, when we get into conteraception, we get into the whole nature of the marital act and the Catholic thought of all actions being open to life
 
Pre Trent Mary was post trent Mary. Councils just affirmed things that the church already believed. Councils don’t create dogma or doctrine
 
To quote an Anglican chaplain I knew, Anglicanism is “In the middle, in a muddle”. You have everything from liberal massively pro same-sex-marriage to high church vehemently opposed SSM (@SnowRose - at least where I live). Hence- your mileage will vary.
 
Precisely.
No offense, but since scism is your whole reason for existence, it’s impossible to refer to Anglican and Lutheran belief as a bloc, something that can, for the most part, be done for Catholics
 
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Eeeehhhh, is that why Lutherans are willing to do the pre-Trent Hail Mary and not the post one?
 
This thread has been respectful so far… can we please keep it this way?

Also, Catholics came up with the scientific method, pioneered modern gene theory, and discovered the Big Bang theory, so…
 
I like the Motley Crew of Anglicans, and their approach to theology
 
In practice, at least liturgically, I don’t see it that hard for High Church Lutherans to join the Church’s liturgical traditions. But I don’t see the Catholic Church backing down on the overall idea of infallibility. However, the Church might treat the Lutherans like it does the Eastern Catholic Churches. It’ll let them do their own thing unless a very serious theological dispute happens (and I mean very serious).

I think maybe a better explanation of Marian doctrine could be given to the Lutherans on the Catholic side to make it less difficult. But I think Christian unity will come at some point. And I’m going to guess that unity will be Catholic/Lutheran or Catholic/Orthodox first. I tend to think Catholics and Lutherans will unify first before the Orthodox since there is so much more bad blood between us the Orthodox. Although we are closer to them theologically.

Just my two cents. 😎
 
Tbh I’m perfectly happy w being treated as the EO - that’s all I ever asked for.

If you think Papal Infallability is the beach to die on, that’s fine. I’m shoring up on the ”believers are equal” opinion.

I’m not looking for a two-weeks-from-now solution, more sounding out the hurdles.
 
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