What would it take to make you walk out of Mass?

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There is an interesting discussion ongoing in another thread about whether people would walk out of Mass … rather than divert the question there, I’d like to change the question a little bit.

Just what would it take to make you walk out of Mass? This applies to anyone, East or West, Modern or Traditional, Progressive or Conservative.

Would the priest have to publicly espouse some heresy? Would some particularly aggregious liturgical abuse have to occur? A fire or an al Qaeda attack?
 
I would walk out of Mass if the priest taught heresy, or trashed the Holy Father. I would walk out of Mass if the priest invalidated it, making it not a Mass at all.
 
I would walk out of Mass if and only if it was invalid. If my Lord were still present, despite any further abuses, I would stay and offer heartfelt praise to Him, so that at least someone did.
 
All of the above, and especially if I saw this in the parish bulltein:

Eucharistic Bread Recipe
(In the summer of 2004 this recipe was re-approved by the Vatican’s Congregation for Divine Worship.) 4 cups whole wheat flour 1/4 cup sugar
1/2 cup white flour 1/2 cup corn oil
1/2 tsp. salt 1/2 cup honey
2 tsb. baking powder 1 1/2 cups buttermilk*
1/2 tsp. baking soda

*to make buttermilk substitute, warm milk and add 1 1/2 Tablespoon white vinegar. Let set 5 minutes to clabber.

Mix all dry ingredients in large bowl. Mix all liquid ingredients. Add liquids to dry, mixing with spoon.

Mix dough in bowl with hands.

Sprinkle counter top heavily with flour. Place a quarter of the dough on floured counter top. Knead flour into dough to prevent rolling pin from sticking. Shape dough into ball and flatten on very lightly sprayed cookie sheet. Roll out the 1/4 inch thickness, including at the edges. This prevents the edges from burning and becoming hard. The load should also be about 6 inches round.

Use a sharp knife to score the top so that each loaf can be broken into 100 bite size pieces. The indentions should be deep but not go through the dough.

Bake at 375 degrees F. for 11-13 minutes. Be careful not to burn bread, especially the bottom. Remove immediately and place on towel to cool. Use a pastry brush or mushroom brush to remove excess flour and crumbs.

Bread can be frozen after cooling completely.
 
Could that possibly be a recipe for some of the Eastern Rites? They use leavened bread don’t they?

Where’s Byz when you need him?

I noticed that you said it was approved, so…it must be explainable somehow unless you are mistaken about that.
 
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benedictusoblat:
There is an interesting discussion ongoing in another thread about whether people would walk out of Mass … rather than divert the question there, I’d like to change the question a little bit.

Just what would it take to make you walk out of Mass? This applies to anyone, East or West, Modern or Traditional, Progressive or Conservative.

Would the priest have to publicly espouse some heresy? Would some particularly aggregious liturgical abuse have to occur? A fire or an al Qaeda attack?
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The Consecration would have to be clearly invalid. What point would there be to be present at a Mass without a valid Consecration.
 
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msproule:
All of the above, and especially if I saw this in the parish bulltein:

Eucharistic Bread Recipe

(In the summer of 2004 this recipe was re-approved by the Vatican’s Congregation for Divine Worship.) 4 cups whole wheat flour 1/4 cup sugar

1/2 cup white flour 1/2 cup corn oil
1/2 tsp. salt 1/2 cup honey
2 tsb. baking powder 1 1/2 cups buttermilk*
1/2 tsp. baking soda

Bread can be frozen after cooling completely.
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I do not believe that the CDF would violate Latin Rite Canon Law and do something like this. I would have to see an actual original letter from the CDF. Who was the approval addressed to? It could be approved for Eastern Rite use and someone who does not know any better misread it.
 
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PJR:
Could that possibly be a recipe for some of the Eastern Rites? They use leavened bread don’t they?

Where’s Byz when you need him?

I noticed that you said it was approved, so…it must be explainable somehow unless you are mistaken about that.
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The Eastern rites do use leavened bread, this goes far beyond what is allowed. The addition of milk, sugar, honey, oil, etc, clearly invalidates the matter. I myself would like to see the source of the CDF’s “approval”, considering that their recent document, Redemtionis Sacramentum states the following:
[48.] The Eucharistic bread must be “unleavened, purely of wheat, and recently made.” … It is a grave abuse to introduce other substances, such as fruit or sugar or honey, into the bread for confecting the Eucharist.
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I almost walked out of Mass a few years ago after a priest said something uncharitable about JP2, I was that close, but even now if I hear something bad I just think to myself, well Jesus has to stay and listen to this, so I will stay and watch with the Lord for one hour.
Even though I want to shout from the higest Heavens, “THATS NOT TRUE”.
 
Dr. Colossus:
The Eastern rites do use leavened bread, this goes far beyond what is allowed. The addition of milk, sugar, honey, oil, etc, clearly invalidates the matter. I myself would like to see the source of the CDF’s “approval”, considering that their recent document, Redemtionis Sacramentum states the following:
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I could not agree more. I have never been to this Latin Rite parish (and if I had, I would have walked out), but the recipe was a sub-topic of debate on another thread. The recipe as I copied it is presented online in that parish’s bulletin. They state that it is approved by the CDWDS but offer no proof.

They have recently been blessed with a new Bishop who understands the difference between valid and invalid matter. I suspect it is only a matter of time before this gets corrected, although I hear that the parishoners really love their “bread”.
 
If the celebrant showed up in leotards and topless and did the liturgy to modern dance I’d leave just after I finished photographing it.
 
STIOFÁN:
I almost walked out of Mass a few years ago after a priest said something uncharitable about JP2, I was that close, but even now if I hear something bad I just think to myself, well Jesus has to stay and listen to this, so I will stay and watch with the Lord for one hour.
Even though I want to shout from the higest Heavens, “THATS NOT TRUE”.
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I was thinking of all the possible valid reasons I would have to walk out until I read your post. You are right - if Jesus has to stay then I will stay with Him also.

CM
 
Evacuation due to fire within or immanent tornado activity without (too many large stained glass windows!) Also, asthma attack or uncontrollable coughing or broncial spasm brought on by abundant use of incense. Otherwise, never.

karen marie
 
STIOFÁN:
I almost walked out of Mass a few years ago after a priest said something uncharitable about JP2, I was that close, but even now if I hear something bad I just think to myself, well Jesus has to stay and listen to this, so I will stay and watch with the Lord for one hour.
Even though I want to shout from the higest Heavens, “THATS NOT TRUE”.
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well said!
 
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