What would Jesus say to muhammed?

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Here is just one example of a multitude of big “T” Deposit of Faith tradition sources:

From the U.S. Catholic Bishops declaration entitled “Responsibility, Rehabilitation and Restoration” (2000)

“Our Community of faith is called to respect the humanity and promote the human dignity of both victims and offenders.”

Check out CCC 818, 1789, 1738, 1825, 1884, 2188, 1466-67, 1907, 1929-33, 1944, 2477, 2507.

Also Dignitatis Humanae, and Nostra Aetate.

Pax Christi;)
 
AKG said:
The Church admonishes us to treat the religious beliefs of others with the utmost respect even if we do not agree with them.
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Even if those beliefs teach absurdities? Voltaire was so right when he declared that those who make you believe absurdities will also make you commit monstrosities as we see in the case of Islam every day!

Respect is for those who deserve it.

Wasn’t it St. Augustine who said that if something was absurd it deserved to be ridiculed?

Vickie
 
I respect the human dignity of muslims when I ask them to stop murdering and persecuting Christians, to treat Christians in their countries as equals, to support freedom of religion and speech, and to begin to protest against islamic terrorism.
 
Yeah, these letters totally sound just like Jesus, by the way.
 
Booklover said:
Even if those beliefs teach absurdities? Voltaire was so right when he declared that those who make you believe absurdities will also make you commit
monstrosities as we see in the case of Islam every day!

Respect is for those who deserve it.

Wasn’t it St. Augustine who said that if something was absurd it deserved to be ridiculed?

Vickie
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Saint Augustine is also quoted as having said that “patience is wisdom’s companion.” In 1 Corinthians Chapter 13, Saint Paul lists “patience” as the first attribute of love. Followers of Christ are called to practice patience with those who show us disrespect, and even with those who may wish us harm.

Keep in mind that only certain practitioners of Islam commit the monstrosities that you speak of. The vast majority of Moslems are people of good will who sincerely strive to follow and obey God as they understand God. The greatest of all virtues is charity, and it is through exercising the virtue of charity that the true light of Christ is made known.

Saint Francis of Assisi, pray for us that we may all truly become instruments of God’s peace, and wherever hatred is found, sow charity.

God bless you:)
 
murtad said:
Yes, that’s true for real religions, such as Buddhism and Hinduism. As Christians we should respect real religions because they are of pre-Christian origin and thus have divine origin (refer to the CCC). However, classical Islam should be excluded as a religious belief as it is not a religion at all but a political-motivated ideology.

BTW, go to Google and search for “Hindu slaughter by Islam” to learn more about Islamic aggression towards Hindu people.
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With all due respect, I would like to quote from a fellow peacemaker and Catholic layman, Joseph V. Montville, a director, diplomat, and essayist at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

In an essay entitled “Religion and Peacemaking,” Montville offers these words of profound wisdom and insight to ponder and meditate upon.:

"I have to admit that I cannot own God. I cannot demand of him that he act or reveal himself only as I know him through the tradition I have received. He remains free… He can reveal himself as he chooses.
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      I do not have the experience of knowing God through the tradition of the Muslim faith… But as I see the piety and the life of faith of the Muslim community—imperfect, of course, like my own—I find myself bound, even in faithfulness to God as he reveals himself in my own tradition, to recognize him at work in the faith of Muslims.  This constitutes, I believe, no derogation of my Christian faith, but actually springs from it.  

        This is a wonderfully simple, and quite moving, statement of faith and it reveals a special problem for exclusivist doctrines in any religious system.  Does any religion have a right to tell God whom he may embrace and whom he may not? "
 
AKG said:
With all due respect, I would like to quote from a fellow peacemaker and Catholic layman, Joseph V. Montville, a director, diplomat, and essayist at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

In an essay entitled “Religion and Peacemaking,” Montville offers these words of profound wisdom and insight to ponder and meditate upon.:

"I have to admit that I cannot own God. I cannot demand of him that he act or reveal himself only as I know him through the tradition I have received. He remains free… He can reveal himself as he chooses.
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      I do not have the experience of knowing God through the tradition of the Muslim faith… But as I see the piety and the life of faith of the Muslim community—imperfect, of course, like my own—I find myself bound, even in faithfulness to God as he reveals himself in my own tradition, to recognize him at work in the faith of Muslims.  This constitutes, I believe, no derogation of my Christian faith, but actually springs from it.  

        This is a wonderfully simple, and quite moving, statement of faith and it reveals a special problem for exclusivist doctrines in any religious system.  Does any religion have a right to tell God whom he may embrace and whom he may not? "
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Considering that muslims refer to me as kaffir on a regular basis and how they treat Christian minorities, they act pretty exclusivist.
 
Only truth should be accorded the affection of respect. We shouldn’t have respect for falsehood. However, we can have respect for the followers of falsehood and I think that is more or less what is generally meant by people when they say to respect other religions; it’s shorthand for “respect the followers of other religions.”
 
AKG said:
With all due respect, I would like to quote from a fellow peacemaker and Catholic layman, Joseph V. Montville, a director, diplomat, and essayist at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

In an essay entitled “Religion and Peacemaking,” Montville offers these words of profound wisdom and insight to ponder and meditate upon.:

"I have to admit that I cannot own God. I cannot demand of him that he act or reveal himself only as I know him through the tradition I have received. He remains free… He can reveal himself as he chooses.
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      I do not have the experience of knowing God through the tradition of the Muslim faith… But as I see the piety and the life of faith of the Muslim community—imperfect, of course, like my own—I find myself bound, even in faithfulness to God as he reveals himself in my own tradition, to recognize him at work in the faith of Muslims.  This constitutes, I believe, no derogation of my Christian faith, but actually springs from it.  

        This is a wonderfully simple, and quite moving, statement of faith and it reveals a special problem for exclusivist doctrines in any religious system.  Does any religion have a right to tell God whom he may embrace and whom he may not? "
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That is an universalist outlook surely which is contrary to Christian doctrine. The Bible tells us about God, this is how we know. To say that Muslims may also be right means not being a Christian. It’s quite simple.
It’s not enough to have faith, it’s what you have faith in. It’s not enough to be pious or even do good.
 
What would Jesus say to muhammed?

I think this would sum it up. “Get behind Me, Satan!” Matthew 16:23
 
I like these threads, but I have to ask, do you really believe you can be redeemed from Hell? I don’t think one who has been fully exposed to the knowledge of the Gospel (like Mohammed) and rejected it, forming his own scriptures, can be delivered from such a position. It seems insulting to God’s justice … Very much so, really.
 
I like these threads too because I think they represent brief and accurate representations of various fallacies circulating the world today.

And as to redemption from Hell, well, I am no scholar. But I do remember listening to a Catholic priest on the radio years ago describe something of a “second chance” process available, according to the Catholic faith. Basically he explained that the Catholic faith includes the belief that if you have never heard the “Gospel” OR if you have heard it, but it was explained to you imperfectly, you have a second chance after this mortal life to hear the truth and a chance to either accept or reject it.

Since this contrasts so sharply with so many faiths that claim that if you don’t believe as they do that you are going to Hell, the “second chance” policy (by the way, that’s MY word for it, not an official term) really made sense to me.

So, I interpret these “letters” in that vein. While God is a God of Justice, He is also a God of Love and perhaps I am just a silly girl, but I like to think that God gives every one of His creations every opportunity within reason to see and understand the truth, and then make their choice.

Melanie
 
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