What would Mohammad say of the 21st century Muslim World?

[AgnosTheist]

Allah Akhbar! Why have you not conquered the world yet?

 

[b_justb]

You need an alter ego login in name. “AgnosParodios,” perhaps?

 

[Booklover]

Allah Akhbar! Why have you not conquered the world yet?

Or maybe he would be surprised that so many people actually believed the whoppers he told!

Vickie

 

[AgnosTheist]

• Mohammad watching a beauty pageant on T.V.*

*Inshallah I would have a golden haired blue eyed woman as one of my wives! *

 

[inJESUS]

Allah damn the internet ! apocrypha and legends online! they can all know by now where i took my teachings from !

 

[Delta2]

Allah Akhbar! Why have you not conquered the world yet?

My personal point of view is that Islam will have a important rule in the apocalyptic end of times

I have read that Islam is a Trojan Horse in the west, and you know that apostasy is being stronger

I think that Rome, the west, will be under sharia law, once again the Evil Empire of Babylon will persecute and kill the true believers in Jesus…until

until the parousia - Second Advent of Jesus

When all that pretrol-oil ends, and petro-dollars, you will see what it will hapen…

 

[Sister_Amy]

Muhammad said that after him would be 30 years of caliphate, followed by kingdoms. And then the kingdoms would be followed by dictatorships. So I don’t think he would be surprised at the dictatorships of the Muslim world today (in case you didn’t know, that’s what kind of government they have… not Islam.)

There’s also a hadith about the Day of Judgment, that he would call his followers to drink from the Cistern(?) and that some will be kept away, and he will be told the reason why, that they innovated in the religion after him.

 

[AgnosTheist]

Muhammad said that after him would be 30 years of caliphate, followed by kingdoms. And then the kingdoms would be followed by dictatorships. So I don’t think he would be surprised at the dictatorships of the Muslim world today (in case you didn’t know, that’s what kind of government they have… not Islam.)

the caliphate is a form of dictatorship. anyway what you said is a curious thing, do you have a source for it?

 

[dolphinlove]

MANY things come to mind on this subject

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

How about something like “send [Jesus] to dip his finger in some water and cool off my tongue, because I am in great pain in this fire!” (see Luke 16:24).

 

[Sister_Amy]

the caliphate is a form of dictatorship. anyway what you said is a curious thing, do you have a source for it?

My sheikh is the only source I know of–I’m not sure where the hadith is compiled.

And the caliphate is actually not a dictatorship, because according to Sunni Islam in particular, the leader must be elected by consultation/vote. He can’t just take over in a military coup or what have you. As things are today, the leaders hold “elections” but don’t allow free voting. You can tell that’s the case when they win by 99% of the vote. And sometimes they just decide to suspend the constitution and pull other shenanigans to stay in power.

 

[paarsurrey]

Allah Akhbar! Why have you not conquered the world yet?

Hi

We don’t consider subjugating territories a good and objective goal. Our goal is to open hearts and minds of the people with love, affection and sound and reasonable arguments for GodAllahYHWH. This could be achieved with peace only.

This has been explained by the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 in one of his small books:
alislam.org/books/victoryofislam/VICTORY%20OF%20ISLAM.pdf
This peaceful programme is spread over 300 years of which only 100 years have passed.

Thanks

 

[Mjae]

I don’t know what he’d say, but I’m pretty sure the 21st century western world would see to it he’s in a very nice senior’s facility where his bedroom door locks from the outside, especially after he gets caught trying to sneak into the ladies rooms. They would make sure he takes all his anti-psychotic meds, and that the knife drawer in the kitchen is always locked.

 

[morning_star777]

“i have read that islam is a trojan horse in the west”.delta2 you are right.but western should be carefull about this trojan horse.neither they will destroy like the trojan ppl.jesus save us from is horrible trojan horse.AMEN

 

[AgnosTheist]

And the caliphate is actually not a dictatorship, because according to Sunni Islam in particular, the leader must be elected by consultation/vote.

Many dictators have been elected by vote. Like the philippine dictator Ferdinand Marcos.

Arent these true of the Caliphate:

In modern usage, the term “dictator” is generally used to describe a leader who holds and/or abuses an extraordinary amount of personal power, especially the power to make laws without effective restraint by a legislative assembly. Dictatorships are often characterized by some of the following traits: suspension of elections and of civil liberties; proclamation of a state of emergency; rule by decree; repression of political opponents without abiding by rule of law procedures; single-party state, cult of personality, etc.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictator

 

[Sister_Amy]

Many dictators have been elected by vote. Like the philippine dictator Ferdinand Marcos.

Arent these true of the Caliphate:

In modern usage, the term "dictator" is generally used to describe a leader who holds and/or abuses an extraordinary amount of personal power, especially the power to make laws without effective restraint by a legislative assembly. Dictatorships are often characterized by some of the following traits: suspension of elections and of civil liberties; proclamation of a state of emergency; rule by decree; repression of political opponents without abiding by rule of law procedures; single-party state, cult of personality, etc.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictator

No.

 

[AgnosTheist]

No.

lets take it piece by piece.

1. “a leader who holds and/or abuses an extraordinary amount of personal power”

The Caliph holds an extraordinary amount of personal power. Nobody could overrule him.

1. “the power to make laws without effective restraint by a legislative assembly”.

There are no legislative assemblies in the Caliphate.

1. “suspension of elections and of civil liberties”

Caliphs rule for life. There are no elections that can replace a caliph.

1. “rule by decree”

Caliphs makes rules by decree.

1. “repression of political opponents without abiding by rule of law procedures, single-party state”

Political opponents are not tolerated in the Caliphate.

1. “cult of personality”

Caliphs are practically the Popes of Islam. Highly venerated supreme religious leaders.

 

[Sister_Amy]

lets take it piece by piece.

1. “a leader who holds and/or abuses an extraordinary amount of personal power”

The Caliph holds an extraordinary amount of personal power. Nobody could overrule him.

Not true. He could be overruled by religious scholars.

1. “the power to make laws without effective restraint by a legislative assembly”.

There are no legislative assemblies in the Caliphate.

But there are the 'ulema who could oppose him legitimately.

1. “suspension of elections and of civil liberties”

Caliphs rule for life. There are no elections that can replace a caliph.

Not necessarily.

1. “rule by decree”

Caliphs makes rules by decree.

Only to a limited extent.

1. “repression of political opponents without abiding by rule of law procedures, single-party state”

Political opponents are not tolerated in the Caliphate.

1. “cult of personality”

Caliphs are practically the Popes of Islam. Highly venerated supreme religious leaders.

They are not supreme religious leaders. There is no hierarchy in Islam. The caliph would be a political and not religious leader. There is no supreme religious leader in Islam.

 

[AgnosTheist]

Not true. He could be overruled by religious scholars.

they dont have political powers in the caliphate. the caliph has the Majlis which act as his advisers. He can neglect them if he wants.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliphate#Majlis_al-Shura:_Parliament

But there are the 'ulema who could oppose him legitimately.

only through armed rebellion, if the caliph refuse to budge.

Not necessarily.

was there a caliph who had been voted out of his office?

Only to a limited extent.

supposed to be limited by islamic law. he is still the final word.

They are not supreme religious leaders. There is no hierarchy in Islam. The caliph would be a political and not religious leader. There is no supreme religious leader in Islam.

I stand corrected.

But “cult of personality” implies “hero worship” of political leaders. The Mohammad’s political successor, the overlord of the muslim the world, wont be anything short than that.

 

[Sister_Amy]

There’s really only the example of 4 caliphs, all of whom happened to be Companions of the Prophet, each of them being legitimate scholars and jurists in their own right.