What would this world be like if there was never any Feminist?

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Concurrence. I am just saying you should accord men the same rights and choices you allow yourself.

Simple really.

Now… If men could just get an equal ( I just sooooo love that word…:cool: ) choice about having their baby, too, killed by a rabid abortionist Feminist, we just might be making some progress in terms of elevating the Social Consciousness Quotient of Men’s issues…
 
Ahhhh… but you certainly inferred it didn’t you?
Nope.
When you advocate a group (men) be penalized for the actions of a few, you are indeed being sexist in every sense of the word. In other words. **You are Stereotyping Men! **
I didn’t advocate anything. 🤷

But the countries I listed and linked to felt there was a significant enough problem with the sexual harassment and assaulting of their female population to pass legislation that allows for female only areas in their transport systems.

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And hey! Why stop at the above sign? Why not really declare yourself and wear one of these?
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I seeeeeeeeeeee… You just post it as a counterpoint… but you are **not **advocating it eh? :rolleyes: Clever mental gymnastics that, eh wot? Sort of a …‘Flex- elect’ policy eh?

Typical.:cool:
 
Concurrence. I am just saying you should accord men the same rights and choices you allow yourself.

Simple really.

Now… If men could just get an **equal **( I just sooooo love that word…:cool: ) choice about having their baby, too, killed by a rabid abortionist Feminist, we just might be making some progress in terms of elevating the Social Consciousness Quotient of Men’s issues…
My husband wears the pants, but I pick them out and iron them. lolololol.
I don’t plan on aborting my child (if I can have one) and he is going to have to rub my feet when they swell. 😃 In all honesty, I am domesticated. I cook, clean, and iron (even the dress uniforms) and he is my big bad military man.
I think women should be treated equally and not fired because her boss thinks she is too hot. Let her get paid the same amount as Johnny in the cubical next to her. I don’t want a girl to have deal with rude boys grabbing her privates when walking in the hallway at school. While I am super duper happy with my husband, I don’t think a women needs a man to be happy. The military may call me a dependant, but I am most definitely not.
 
Nope.

I didn’t advocate anything. 🤷

But the countries I listed and linked to felt there was a significant enough problem with the sexual harassment and assaulting of their female population to pass legislation that allows for female only areas in their transport systems.

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http://freedomtodiscuss.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/feminism.jpg

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Sarah x 🙂
Gee! I wonder just who the …uh… *really lucky guy… * will be that marries the above girl eh?

OOOOOps! Am I being politically incorrect here? Should I say the really lucky …person? :cool:
 
My husband wears the pants, but I pick them out and iron them. lolololol.
I don’t plan on aborting my child (if I can have one) and he is going to have to rub my feet when they swell. 😃 In all honesty, I am domesticated. I cook, clean, and iron (even the dress uniforms) and he is my big bad military man.
I think women should be treated equally and not fired because her boss thinks she is too hot. Let her get paid the same amount as Johnny in the cubical next to her. I don’t want a girl to have deal with rude boys grabbing her privates when walking in the hallway at school. While I am super duper happy with my husband, I don’t think a women needs a man to be happy. The military may call me a dependant, but I am most definitely not.
I see. And just who here is advocating “… a girl to have deal with rude boys grabbing her privates when walking in the hallway at school.”?

Not me!

As for me I just do not want to see men as a whole get a bad rap. Men are quite stellar examples of humanity. Christ. Ghandi. Martin Luther King Jr. etc. etc. Like your husband - yes?

When Feminists start verbally denigrating men, it demands to be addressed.
 
I see. And just who here is advocating “… a girl to have deal with rude boys grabbing her privates when walking in the hallway at school.”?

Not me!

As for me I just do not want to see men as a whole get a bad rap. Men are quite stellar examples of humanity. Christ. Ghandi. Martin Luther King Jr. etc. etc. Like your husband - yes?

When Feminists start verbally denigrating men, it demands to be addressed.
I don’t think anyone here is pro-groping, but I don’t think a female should be seen as an object. It falls in line with being too pretty and your boss fires you for it. There are most definitely amazing men who have done great things. Christ even went out of the social norms to speak to women and such. 🙂
 
Concurrence again.

Women should get rid of their nude Fire Fighting Men calendars too! yes?😉

Perhaps women should be fired for bringing their ‘Cosmo’ magazine to work eh?
 
Concurrence again.

Women should get rid of their nude Fire Fighting Men calendars too! yes?😉
hahaha. When men get rid of their nude Playboy calendars.

Honestly, I find clothed people wayyyy more attractive than naked ones. Keep the fire fighters, I am perfectly fine with landscapes on my calendars. 😃
 
I can’t believe we’re even discussing this.

What’s the next conversation, what would the U.S. be like if there wasn’t a civil rights movement for blacks? Would that be a better world, too?

Yeah, I think it’s a good thing that women aren’t treated like cattle.

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Having men drafted and women not is again something that I, and many, many other feminists are against as well. Some are against the draft entirely, some think both should be subject to it. I didn’t think selective service registration required for men to be able to vote? Am I wrong? That is also a problem not experienced in all other western countries. Several draft men and women, others have no draft.

And, boy has democracy in the US sure come a long way in the last 150 years. Many groups of people have won the right to vote, thank goodness! We are better off as a society when all have equal rights.
Then why don’t you rouse your powerful feminist lobby and get it changed! Men have no lobby and no voice. When a group of men sued the federal government over the draft in 1981 the SC threw the suit out. Also, the guy in the white house doesn’t give a darn about the guy typing this post. Just b/c we are both guys that doesn’t mean he represents my interests. I know that is a hard thing for many women to understand.

It may not be required to vote but if you don’t do it you loose out on a lot like a drivers license, federal employment, state employment, financial aid, and fines if they choose to enforce. How’s that for an “undue burden?”
Extremely insulting, misogynist and also inaccurate.

Pro-tip: If you use the words “always” or “never” when referring to a group of people you are almost guaranteed to be wrong.
Here we ago with that over used M word again. So when an “educated” woman like Marilyn French says something like “All men are rapists and that’s all they are” you would support the notion that she is a misandrist? This is what I mean. Many women are quick to insult men without seeing what their side of the species does. I do not hate women though I am completely uninterested in dealing with them in anything more than a professional setting. Microsoft Word doesn’t even recognize “misandry” as a word. Men are willing to call their own but women seldom do.

Remind me again, what have women taken civic responsibility for that men don’t as well?
What you meant to say was the male property owners were the only ones allowed to vote until 70 years before women.
Women couldn’t own property so they obviously couldn’t vote. The other men were able to vote 70 years BEFORE women. Ummmmm, that’s a life time. Almost 3/4 of a century.

I honestly can’t take your posts about women and the draft seriously because you say filth like this. **You want women to strap on boots and a gun yet say, “They never were conditioned to take responsibility like men were.” **:eek: With that one sentence you just threw a grenade at your whole women and the draft arguement.
I have read several of your posts. It seems to me that you want women to respect men to the nth degree, yet have no respect for women. If you did have respect for women, you wouldn’t say awful mess like this.
Thank God for feminists. Without them, I wouldn’t be able to say this to you without my husband being able to beat me with a rod no wider than his thumb.
Look, in regards to voting it was the rich versus the poor. Still is. A rich woman had a better lot than a poor man. It had nothing to do with maleness. Also, think about it for a second. Things were very different in the old world. Many people were uneducated. Women were highly domesticated because many household duties required enormous amounts of time whereas today we have technology do a lot for us. I am NOT saying denying women the right to vote was the right thing but given the time period it is not entirely a mystery to me. In any case we are beyond that now so its a moot point. No one is advocating taking the right away from women.

Honestly I don’t care what you nor any other woman says to me. Doesn’t bother me one bit because I am quite secure and content with my life while many sit there and make victims out of themselves. I support your freedom of speech more than anything else! I am glad women speak up because it makes it so much easier to resist you all and realize I am missing nothing by remaining single.

Yes, thank God for feminists. The same feminists that attack the Catholic Church on a regular basis for a variety of issues like contraception, women priests, and abortion. It is good to know you thank them for the money and verbal power you got out of it while tacitly making their dirty laundry look like no big deal. If it wasn’t for them I might actually believe all that garbage about women being the “fairer sex” and all lovingly angelic. Nothing like a little dose of raging feminist to bring one into reality that women can be as good if not better than men when it comes to doing evil things.

I respect everyone I meet, women included. It seems though that if anyone even in the slightest say something out of the way a woman doesn’t like they get trampled all over. I mean do women ever scold women for anything when it comes to men. An overwhelming majority of you subscribe to and perpetuate the nonsense that men = bad women = good. Can you really blame a guy for being blunt? I have lost several friends b/c they thought I was being too judgmental when they were mistreating women. I told them straight up they were wrong and uncharitable. How many women do that? I am always hearing girls tell each other how much they deserve all the good things and never to feel guilty for caring about themself. If I told a guy to do that I can only imagine what kind of response I would get. So you know what I will say what I want bluntly and if you don’t like it, tough cookies.

To the bold: You proved my point. If they were conditioned to take responsibility they would be strapping the boots on and ALL women would be advocating for the draft to include both.
 
I don’t think anyone here is pro-groping, but I don’t think a female should be seen as an object. It falls in line with being too pretty and your boss fires you for it. There are most definitely amazing men who have done great things. Christ even went out of the social norms to speak to women and such. 🙂
And men shouldn’t be seen as wallets or laborers. Men are just as objectified by society albeit in a different way.

“Well, the female body is a… work of art. The male body is utilitarian, it’s for gettin’ around, like a jeep.” - Elaine Benes Seinfeld

You don’t get more objectifying than that. Imagine if a man said that about women. The NOW would be all over his backside yet men just take it.
 
Just to be clear. Feminism is not what lead to women’s right to vote or other issues of female equality. Feminism is actually more recent than women’s suffrage or women’s equality. The issue with equating feminism to women’s equality is that they do not have the same goals. Despite what some say feminism is not about equality, but rather to elevate females as somewhat superior to males. It is subtle but look at how much feminism has raised female qualities to be superior (e.g. single motherhood is heroic, but widowed fathers are sad). Feminism is less about equality as it is about transformation.

Yes many suffragans joined up w/ feminist, but that does not mean w/o feminism that women could not vote, hold jobs, etc. There are plenty of places that had women’s equality without a feminist movement. It is quite possible we could have had all the benefits without a movement that still paints women as oppressed victims of the white male establishment. That victimhood is exactly what feminist use to rally the troops around abortion support (those oppressive men can’t tell us what to do with our bodies). The difference between civil rights and feminism is that African Americans were not looking to make society in their image.
Well said.
 
Then why don’t you rouse your powerful feminist lobby and get it changed! Men have no lobby and no voice
I don’t have a powerful feminist lobby. I am one person. I don’t even live in the US…however I believe that getting women officially fighting in the front line is likely the first step to changing that.
Also, the guy in the white house doesn’t give a darn about the guy typing this post. Just b/c we are both guys that doesn’t mean he represents my interests. I know that is a hard thing for many women to understand.
Actually, we I DO understand that. I don’t lump all men together as a unitive body.
It may not be required to vote but if you don’t do it you loose out on a lot like a drivers license, federal employment, state employment, financial aid, and fines if they choose to enforce. How’s that for an “undue burden?”
You had originally said that women get the right to vote without the responsibility for being drafted, hence why I asked about the correlation. It is unjust that only men are subject to the draft. I don’t know anyone who disagrees with that. Not being in the US I really have looked at the merits of pro- or anti- draft arguments.
Here we ago with that over used M word again. So when an “educated” woman like Marilyn French says something like “All men are rapists and that’s all they are” you would support the notion that she is a misandrist?
Yes she is wrong and yes she is a misandrist if she said those things. See my point? Lumping all members of a group together to make a generalization like that is likely to make one incorrect. You obviously agree with that since you pointed it out in this case, yet you continue to do the same to women. Microsoft Word doesn’t recognize a LOT of words…not sure you can make a case out of that other than it has an insufficient dictionary.
Remind me again, what have women taken civic responsibility for that men don’t as well?
I don’t think anyone has said they do. Nor has anyone said they should. In fact most say that there shouldn’t be civic responsibility that men have that women don’t…not sure what your point is here.

Honestly I don’t care what you nor any other woman says to me. Doesn’t bother me one bit because I am quite secure and content with my life while many sit there and make victims out of themselves. I support your freedom of speech more than anything else! I am glad women speak up because it makes it so much easier to resist you all and realize I am missing nothing by remaining single.
If it wasn’t for them I might actually believe all that garbage about women being the “fairer sex” and all lovingly angelic. Nothing like a little dose of raging feminist to bring one into reality that women can be as good if not better than men when it comes to doing evil things.
Then feminism is working! We don’t want you to think we’re “angelic” or “fairer” or whatever. We are just PEOPLE. Some are good, some are bad, most are somewhere in between. Being thought of as angelic or whatever is harmful to our opportunities.
An overwhelming majority of you subscribe to and perpetuate the nonsense that men = bad women = good.
Who here has evidenced that? Not anyone that I have seen.
Can you really blame a guy for being blunt? I have lost several friends b/c they thought I was being too judgmental when they were mistreating women. I told them straight up they were wrong and uncharitable. How many women do that?
I have done that in the past and will continue to do so when the occasion calls for it. But I will reiterate my point; one does not have to fight EVERY injustice to fight an area of injustice. This dichotomy of " men are like this, women are like that" is harmful wherever it is applied. That is one of the things feminists are fighting for.
To the bold: You proved my point. If they were conditioned to take responsibility they would be strapping the boots on and ALL women would be advocating for the draft to include both.
No, because not all women are suited to the military the same way that not all men are. Some women are advocating for the draft to cease existing. Some women are against feminism. Some women don’t care about these things all.

And finally this:
Many women are quick to insult men without seeing what their side of the species does
I am completely uninterested in dealing with them in anything more than a professional setting
Honestly I don’t care what you nor any other woman says to me
I am glad women speak up because it makes it so much easier to resist you all and realize I am missing nothing by remaining single
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I respect everyone I meet, women included
Do you honestly not see the dichotomy there?

It is obvious that you have a problem with women. I am genuinely sorry for whatever trauma in your past has made you that way. Some people are jerks. That doesn’t mean we all are. We are not out to get you.
 
I don’t have a powerful feminist lobby. I am one person. I don’t even live in the US…however I believe that getting women officially fighting in the front line is likely the first step to changing that.

Actually, we I DO understand that. I don’t lump all men together as a unitive body.

You had originally said that women get the right to vote without the responsibility for being drafted, hence why I asked about the correlation. It is unjust that only men are subject to the draft. I don’t know anyone who disagrees with that. Not being in the US I really have looked at the merits of pro- or anti- draft arguments.

Yes she is wrong and yes she is a misandrist if she said those things. See my point? Lumping all members of a group together to make a generalization like that is likely to make one incorrect. You obviously agree with that since you pointed it out in this case, yet you continue to do the same to women. Microsoft Word doesn’t recognize a LOT of words…not sure you can make a case out of that other than it has an insufficient dictionary.

I don’t think anyone has said they do. Nor has anyone said they should. In fact most say that there shouldn’t be civic responsibility that men have that women don’t…not sure what your point is here.

Honestly I don’t care what you nor any other woman says to me. Doesn’t bother me one bit because I am quite secure and content with my life while many sit there and make victims out of themselves. I support your freedom of speech more than anything else! I am glad women speak up because it makes it so much easier to resist you all and realize I am missing nothing by remaining single.

Then feminism is working! We don’t want you to think we’re “angelic” or “fairer” or whatever. We are just PEOPLE. Some are good, some are bad, most are somewhere in between. Being thought of as angelic or whatever is harmful to our opportunities.

Who here has evidenced that? Not anyone that I have seen.

I have done that in the past and will continue to do so when the occasion calls for it. But I will reiterate my point; one does not have to fight EVERY injustice to fight an area of injustice. This dichotomy of " men are like this, women are like that" is harmful wherever it is applied. That is one of the things feminists are fighting for.

No, because not all women are suited to the military the same way that not all men are. Some women are advocating for the draft to cease existing. Some women are against feminism. Some women don’t care about these things all.

And finally this:

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Do you honestly not see the dichotomy there?

It is obvious that you have a problem with women. I am genuinely sorry for whatever trauma in your past has made you that way. Some people are jerks. That doesn’t mean we all are. We are not out to get you.
You do have a powerful lobby or at least in the US you would.

What most people SAY about civic responsibility and what they DO about it are 2 different things. Women talk and men take action. You see that clearly in the feminist circles where when it comes to sexism against men all women do is talk. Talk is cheap. DO something with your power.

Feminists think they are angels albeit angels with deserved power. I have never seen a feminist come to the aid of men when we face injustice to take action.

There is no dichotomy of what I said. I tolerate and respect women in a professional setting but I draw the line there. I don’t treat guys much differently. I have 2 good friends of both genders and that is it. That is good enough for me.
 
And another thing. I am soooooooo sick and tired of hearing about the oh so brutal fight Feminist women had to go through to wrestle the vote from evil men! What tripe! What fight? If women enjoy the vote today, they should not thank the Feminist. Rather they should thank the** Male** Soldier! You know…that guy that died during WWI, WWII , Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan etc etc. That guy that gave his life for the freedoms Americans and Brits enjoy today? Of course…Feminists could always go pick up their gun and fight in Iran for their fellow Feminists instead of castigating Western males.

Yeahhhhh… Thats going to happen.
You didn’t respond to my response, so… OK.

But yeah, women should bow down and thank their lucky stars that men saw fit to let them vote. Womanly “accomplishments” is an oxymoron, as we all know that men are responsible for everything good that happens to women, and women are to blame for everything bad that happens to women. :rolleyes:
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Women talk and men take action.
In a more “liberal” message board that I belong to, I tend to fall in line with much of the MRM’s talking points. So just bear that in mind when I tell you that your words here come off as virulently sexist.
 
You didn’t respond to my response, so… OK.

But yeah, women should bow down and thank their lucky stars that men saw fit to let them vote. Womanly “accomplishments” is an oxymoron, as we all know that men are responsible for everything good that happens to women, and women are to blame for everything bad that happens to women. :rolleyes:

In a more “liberal” message board that I belong to, I tend to fall in line with much of the MRM’s talking points. So just bear that in mind when I tell you that your words here come off as virulently sexist.
I was stating an observation. If I say that crime is highest among black people that does not make me racist. If you read about how the male and female brains are wired you would realize what I said is a scientific observation. Women talk a lot and men want to take action.
 
When it comes do most things, I doubt it would have made any real difference. I am descended from a long line of working women, including businesswomen, and their talents were recognized and rewarded. Hard for me to believe the “feminist movement” made much difference in that.

Possibly women would not feel it so necessary to engage in non-marital sex had it not been for what passes for modern feminism. After all, modern feminism was really invented by Hugh Hefner.
 
Would it be a better or worse society. I believe that feminism was planned and has forever altered the way men and women view each other. Now that feminism has run its course, we have new issues changing the way people view gays. It’s all in the name of equality.
I’m sure asking, “would it be a better or worse society”, is an interesting topic for some people, but the fact is, it doesn’t matter because they thankfully made their mark in the world and being upset about it isn’t going to change anything. Women won’t be going backwards to a time where they couldn’t own property, couldn’t vote, couldn’t get an education, didn’t have endless career options, didn’t have to get married as a matter of survival, etc. Not going to happen.

Of course feminism was planned and has forever altered the way (some) men and women view each other – thank God, that was the intention and still is. I’m sure for every man who wishes we were back in the dark ages, there is a woman waiting for him to think the same way (because in the world in which feminism brought, that’s here choice rather than her only option). The rest of us will just continue on evolving and growing.

I don’t think feminism has run it’s course. It will always be an evolving thing as long as their are people wanting to turn back the time back to the dark ages.
 
When it comes do most things, I doubt it would have made any real difference. I am descended from a long line of working women, including businesswomen, and their talents were recognized and rewarded. Hard for me to believe the “feminist movement” made much difference in that.

Possibly women would not feel it so necessary to engage in non-marital sex had it not been for what passes for modern feminism. After all, modern feminism was really invented by Hugh Hefner.
God Bless your wisdom! 👍
And amen to that!

Thank goodness for what you are calling “feminism”.
I feel so much pain and empathy for all the women before my generation who were brilliant artists but not allowed to paint or write, brilliant minds but not allowed to be lawyers or mathematicians or doctors, brilliant leaders but not allowed to be politicians or great thinkers of new companies.

Of course, the title and word “feminism” is rather silly and inaccurate when we look back on it now…because it really should be called something more like: “people who want other people to be treated fairly and with the same respect and opportunities”.

Most men I know would be considered “feminists” because they are people who do not want to see a whole group of people that they love as fellow human beings be treated badly and unfairly on the basis of their gender.

I do hope and trust that you, Robert, are a feminist as well.

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Unless men were rich they couldn’t do those things either. Why can’t people see the influence of money??? Did we forget about THAT evil already?
 
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