What would you do if the next Pope allowed the Ordination of Women?

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What makes you think Canon Law can not be changed? There is canon Law prohibiting the ordination of homosexuals-have you heard the latest estimate is that 50% of our Priests and Bishops are just that?
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Tietjen:
This is not possible. See CCC #1577.
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Yes, but they are getting much stricter about letting homosexual priest in.

Shannin
 
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BulldogCath:
What makes you think Canon Law can not be changed? There is canon Law prohibiting the ordination of homosexuals-have you heard the latest estimate is that 50% of our Priests and Bishops are just that?
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Where did this “estimate” come from?

I have an idea where you pulled it from.
 
Byz

It would be appreciated if you would can your sarcasm. This estimate has come from priests themselves, many of whom either are still priests or have left

And whether the number was .0001% or 100%-Canon law prohibits ordanation of homosexuals but this went out the window also-you are doing a strawman!!!
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ByzCath:
Where did this “estimate” come from?

I have an idea where you pulled it from.
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I too grow tired of the “we’ll get the real mass back” chant. It has never left. It is a discipline.

I find it queer to think that historically the “Kyrie” was left in the mass when it was changed from Greek to the Vulgate - Latin and the rad-trads think that it was always Latin. Add to this the varying rites of the Roman Church and one wonders how anyone could ever think that the Rite of Pius V, for that is truly what it is, is the only valid Mass of the Church.

That being said I do prefer the TLM for the Roman Church, but recognize the NOM as well. Sad that the radical traditionalists can not… sad indeed.

Of course, the Holy See can not change the status of priestly ordination being confined to men, anymore than it can with the men bearing children… though admittedly many women would like that change…
 
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BulldogCath:
Byz

It would be appreciated if you would can your sarcasm. This estimate has come from priests themselves, many of whom either are still priests or have left

And whether the number was .0001% or 100%-Canon law prohibits ordanation of homosexuals but this went out the window also-you are doing a strawman!!!
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You are wrong.

First, I doubt what you are saying.

Second, the only way a homosexual could be ordained is if a man was ordained who was actively engaging in homosexual sex. If such was true, and I am sure that in some very few cases it is, that man would be removed from the priesthood.

You make it sound like all priests are running around having sex with each other and other men. That is not the truth.

We are sinful beings, men lie, a bishop may very well ordain a man who lies. It happens, its time to wake up.

By the way, I think you need to learn debating Fallacies.

This is not a straw man, this is a Red Herring.

Off topic now, this attitude that 50% or more of priests are homosexual is another one of the causes of the vocation crisis here in America. You run around spouting this “fact” and then wonder why young men do not respond to the call.
 
Read about them at spirituschristi.org/This group of people has been excommunicated, and rightly so.

Any Roman Catholic group that endorses gay marriage, women taking part in the Consecration at the Alter and other nonCatholic practices should , in my mind, be excommunicated.

That Priest went out of control. And now he is no longer a Priest.
 
The limiting of ordination to men only is part of the deposit of Faith. It is the Pope’s job to guard that deposit of Faith. I am absolutely confident that every cardinal in the conclave is aware of this and, should they receive the call, will carry out their duty. Yes, even Mahoney.

The truths of our Faith don’t change based on stupid opinion polls or pressure from radical dissidents. Notwithstanding the clueless yammering from the ankle-biters in our American media, one man, even the Pope, cannot alter the truth.

Christ didn’t say the truth shall make us popular (which it certainly doesn’t) just that it shall make us free.

Come on, people. Have a little Faith. Remember who’s ultimately in charge here. :blessyou:
 
I would become a Muslim…ok…j/k…that was a sick joke

Why ask “what if”…if it happens, then I will decide.
 
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jamesf:
What would you do if the next Pope allowed the Ordination of Women?
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I voted the second option as it was the closest to what I would do.

If the next Pope were to teach ex cathedra that women can be ordained, then I would accept that teaching. If he were to allow it but not make an ex cathedra teaching on it then I would of course stay in the Church but I may not agree with the new practice and may limit myself to male priests in case the female priests were invalidly ordained.

I agree with those who said that this will never happen.
 
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Ignatius:
The Church does not have the authority to ordain women as priests!
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Amen to that! They can’t change 2000 years of tradition and teaching.
 
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jamesf:
What would you do if the next Pope allowed the Ordination of Women?
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The question is moot because reserving ordination to men only is not a discipline. Christ instituted the sacraments, which means He instituted the matter and form. Since the form for ordination is a baptized unmarried male, this cannot be altered, just as the Church cannot add or subtract any one of the sacraments.

I suggest you click the following link and read Ordinatio Sacerdotalis by Pope John Paul II to understand why priestly ordination is reserved to men and to understand why this is a ridiculous question.

vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_22051994_ordinatio-sacerdotalis_en.html
 
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BulldogCath:
What makes you think Canon Law can not be changed? There is canon Law prohibiting the ordination of homosexuals-have you heard the latest estimate is that 50% of our Priests and Bishops are just that?
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Bulldog, I admire your zeal and willingness to combat heresy wherever it maybe, but don’t attack the Church else you attack Christ. Half of our Priests and Bishops are NOT homosexual and to believe this is simply ludicrous. Where did you get this “latest estimate” from a Chick tract? Even from a logical standpoint that percentage would be extremely unlikely.
The CCC para# 1577 forbids women to be ordained as Priests. There is no need to get all worked up over something that will not happen. If the Church is “the pillar and foundation of truth” as mentioned in 1Timothy 3:15, and you are speaking out against the Church, who am I to believe? This isn’t rocket science here.
God bless.
 
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jamesf:
What would you do if the next Pope allowed the Ordination of Women?
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I would likely conclude that the “Pope” was in reality an anti-Pope. I would not leave the Church, but would remain in her and seek out the true Pope as opposed to the anti-pope. Perhaps I would find the true Pope, perhaps not. Perhaps the Chair of Peter was actually vacant and only the anti-pope existed.

What I know is that the doctrine of the Church CANNOT change and that the true Pope CANNOT teach error when it comes to faith and morals (because God protects His Chruch from teaching error). Therefore the only conclusion one can come to is that the “pope” who is teaching a new doctrine that contravenes established doctrine cannot be the true Pope. Bear in mind that the pope must be teaching this from the Chair of Peter and attempting to establish it for the universal church. If the Pope is merely expressing his opinion in a manner that is not from the Chair of Peter then it does not constitute an attempt to change doctrine and while it may cause confusion, it would not necessarly indicate an anti-pope. Care would be required to evaluate the situation.

Your poll did not have a choice that I could select.

I don’t find your question silly or out of line at all. It is quite possible that an invalid or an anti-pope could attain the apparent position of Pope and disseminate false teaching. One must always be on the guard for this. There are today existent people who claim to be pope. They don’t get much press, but the fact remains that anti-popes exist. Who knows how Satan will mount his attack against man? We cannot assume that one who claims to be Pope actually is Pope. We must evaluate his teaching, much the same way one has to evaluate the teaching of priests and bishops these days.
 
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