What would you do if the next Pope allowed the Ordination of Women?

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jamesf:
What would you do if the next Pope allowed the Ordination of Women?
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There is about as much chance of this a bird flying to the Moon.
It can’t happen, so therefore there is no need to wonder about it.
 
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BulldogCath:
What makes you think Canon Law can not be changed? There is canon Law prohibiting the ordination of homosexuals-have you heard the latest estimate is that 50% of our Priests and Bishops are just that?
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i would think it much easier for a homosexual to pose as a heterosexual for the purpose of becoming a priest than for a woman to pose as a man. even if you cut your hair they would catch on when you stood in profile.
 
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Corinthians:
You can’t be like Jesus unless you can pee like Jesus!
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silly corinthians! lowering yourself to this level just shows the sexist nature of your argument.
 
Well, here I go again - entering the fray with little hope of not being slaughtered.😛

I don’t think women will be ordained in my lifetime and I would imagine never. Should it happen, I’ll worry about it then.

As for the homosexual issue, I find it iteresting that every time anyone mentions “womens rights” they tend to blend in with this deviant act. I don’t believe the stats on homosexual priests is anywhere near true, but even if it was - it wouldn’t matter as they are celebate anyhow, which means it doesn’t matter what they find attractive as they are denied ANY s**ual activty. The sin is in breaking that vow. Breaking it in a homosexual activity just makes it even more detestable.

And this comment was just silly:
the sexist nature of your argument
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  • well, duh. We are talking about the male sx vs. the female sx in the priesthood, which makes it sexist by default as most of us are not capable of being both at once.
 
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Kielbasi:
At this point in time, you’re right.

But if the next pope would change the rule, that might theoretically not be the case next month.
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The Pope does not have the authority to ordain women.
 
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Ignatius:
The Pope does not have the authority to ordain women.
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I thought the Pope could prettymuch do whatever he wanted as long as some previous Pope hadn’t said something against it “ex cathedra” before then.
 
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OldStNick:
I thought the Pope could prettymuch do whatever he wanted as long as some previous Pope hadn’t said something against it “ex cathedra” before then.
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The Pope can’t “change” revelation. He can’t claim Christ is not God. He can’t “change” the moral law like saying birth control was moral. He can’t ordain women, now or ever.
 
pray for strength from the Holy Spirit. All humans, even the Pope, are - human. History has shown many failings by humans, but God and the Holy Spirit corrects and gets us back on path over time. We do our best and pray to God for help, guidance and understanding of His will.
 
Rob's Wife:
Well, here I go again - entering the fray with little hope of not being slaughtered.😛

I don’t think women will be ordained in my lifetime and I would imagine never. Should it happen, I’ll worry about it then.

As for the homosexual issue, I find it iteresting that every time anyone mentions “womens rights” they tend to blend in with this deviant act. I don’t believe the stats on homosexual priests is anywhere near true, but even if it was - it wouldn’t matter as they are celebate anyhow, which means it doesn’t matter what they find attractive as they are denied ANY s**ual activty. The sin is in breaking that vow. Breaking it in a homosexual activity just makes it even more detestable.

And this comment was just silly: - well, duh. We are talking about the male sx vs. the female sx in the priesthood, which makes it sexist by default as most of us are not capable of being both at once.
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if you recognize how sexist this issue is then why dont you support women in this argument?i notice that your screen name is “ron’s wife” is that how you identify yourself? by the man that you belong to?
 
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Brendan:
No, the next pope cannot change the rule.

the Pope has no more authority to ordain women as he would to order that men may now bear children.

Women may never be ordainted to the priesthood. This is definitive and true for all time.
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I wouldn’t have a big problem with it and would obey but my question here is. I was under the impression that this was not said ex-cathedra? and also why is this such a big scary thought for many on this board? I’m asking an honest question here.
 
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anamchara:
I wouldn’t have a big problem with it and would obey but my question here is. I was under the impression that this was not said ex-cathedra? and also why is this such a big scary thought for many on this board? I’m asking an honest question here.
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ex-cathedra is not the only way for infallible statements.

Things that have been taught from the begining by the Magisterium in union with the Pope are also infallible.

The end of Ordinatio Sacerdotalis makes it clear that the male only priesthood is one of those things.

Here it is again. (bold and underlined emphasis added)
  1. Although the teaching that priestly ordination is to be reserved to men alone has been preserved by the constant and universal Tradition of the Church and firmly taught by the Magisterium in its more recent documents, at the present time in some places it is nonetheless considered still open to debate, or the Church’s judgment that women are not to be admitted to ordination is considered to have a merely disciplinary force.
Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church’s divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful.

The underlined section means that it is not a topic of discussion for faithful Catholics. The issue is closed, at least for those who are obedient and follow Church Teachings, that would be for Catholics those who keep bringing it up only call themselves catholic.
 
if you recognize how sexist this issue is then why dont you support women in this argument?
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Because I support sexism! I support men being men. I support women being women. Both deserving of respect as God’s creations. I do not support women with ignorant ideas of thinking that “equal” means becoming like men. Equal does not neccessarily mean “same”. I find it funny that “women rights” tries to immitate the men and “patriarch” type institutions they claim are so horribly unfair.
i notice that your screen name is “ron’s wife” is that how you identify yourself? by the man that you belong to?
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NOW who’s being “sexist”?! So because I’m proud to be wife to a truely good man - that makes me less of a woman?? If that’s the logic you use - then what does your screen name say about you? Nothing but shallow cute looks to commend you?

And yes, I do belong to my husband - and he belongs to me! Marriage means becoming more than just yourself as an individual - it means becoming more as you grow with anther person. It’s not some kind of freak “time-share” program. It’s not “ownership”.

I write, I rock-climb, I cliff-dive, a cook, I clean, I teach my kids to read, I go to college, I take my kids (note I didn’t say sons!) to search for scorpions with a black light, I take care of the bank account and pay the bills, I do so many things as a woman. Yes, I’m more than “Rob’s wife” or "__'s mom – but those are what I’m the most proud of and I’m tired of so many women thinking it’s worth nothing.
 
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ByzCath:
ex-cathedra is not the only way for infallible statements.

Things that have been taught from the begining by the Magisterium in union with the Pope are also infallible.

The end of Ordinatio Sacerdotalis makes it clear that the male only priesthood is one of those things.

Here it is again. (bold and underlined emphasis added)
  1. Although the teaching that priestly ordination is to be reserved to men alone has been preserved by the constant and universal Tradition of the Church and firmly taught by the Magisterium in its more recent documents, at the present time in some places it is nonetheless considered still open to debate, or the Church’s judgment that women are not to be admitted to ordination is considered to have a merely disciplinary force.
Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church’s divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church’s faithful.

The underlined section means that it is not a topic of discussion for faithful Catholics. The issue is closed, at least for those who are obedient and follow Church Teachings, that would be for Catholics those who keep bringing it up only call themselves catholic.
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I’m not so sure that statment underlined means the faithful can’t talk about it. We probably can’t try and push for it but surely we can debate it. Also, can you tell me where you got this source? I only ask because I used to be a board that would bring old documents out to try and prove some point that has since been updated. I wouldn’t say people bringing this issue up are somehow excluded from being worthy Catholics. That is a harsh judgment. But I thank you for trying to answer my question. 🙂
 
Rob's Wife:
And yes, I do belong to my husband - and he belongs to me! Marriage means becoming more than just yourself as an individual - it means becoming more as you grow with anther person. It’s not some kind of freak “time-share” program. It’s not “ownership”.

I write, I rock-climb, I cliff-dive, a cook, I clean, I teach my kids to read, I go to college, I take my kids (note I didn’t say sons!) to search for scorpions with a black light, I take care of the bank account and pay the bills, I do so many things as a woman. Yes, I’m more than “Rob’s wife” or "__'s mom – but those are what I’m the most proud of and I’m tired of so many women thinking it’s worth nothing.
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Whoa, whoa, ladies! Let’s not fight!
 
Do all of you people live under a Rock? Priest have the highest rate of death from AIDS than any other Profession. I will put links here from the Kansas City Newspaper which ran a series as well as USA today, where I got mine as well as some Catholic sites

50% is the number -like it or not

[http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2000/106/26.0.html (http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2000/106/26.0.html)

[http://www.kcstar.com/projects/priests/ (http://www.kcstar.com/projects/priests/)

[http://www.faithfulvoice.com/applicants.htm (http://www.faithfulvoice.com/applicants.htm)

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/04/25/gay-catholics.htm

Gay Catholics angry, say they’ve been singled out
By Cathy Lynn Grossman, USA TODAY

http://images.usatoday.com/_common/.../news/health/_photos/2002-04-25-gregory.jpgBy Pier Paolo Cit, APBishop Wilton Gregory says priesthood shouldn’t be “dominated” by homosexuals. http://images.usatoday.com/_common/_images/clear.gifGay Catholics were livid Wednesday when some church leaders meeting in Rome appeared to blame the sex abuse scandal on homosexual priests. Read more belowLatest news
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But when asked whether allowing homosexuals in the priesthood might foster a "bumper crop " of abusers, Cardinal Theodore McCarrick of Washington, D.C., said no “active homosexuals” should ever be admitted to seminary.

Catholic doctrine says homosexual orientation is not a sin, but homosexual behavior is “disordered.” And some church experts estimate that 20% to 50% of the current 45,000 U.S. priests are homosexual. In February, the pope’s spokesman, Joaquin Navarro-Valls, was quoted as saying homosexuals should not be in the priesthood, even if they maintain celibacy.

Former priest and psychotherapist A.W. Richard Sipe says his study of priests from 1960 to 1985, when many of the abuses now coming to light took place, found only about half of all priests maintained celibacy. He estimated 30% of all priests had a homosexual orientation.

"If we drove all the gay priests out of the priesthood, our Masses would be on videotape," Wilkes says.

Contributing: Janet Kornblum

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ByzCath:
Where did this “estimate” come from?

I have an idea where you pulled it from.
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OldStNick:
Whoa, whoa, ladies! Let’s not fight!
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Thier not really fighting but debating a heated topic. Why is it men always think when women are debating it’s immediately considered a “cat fight” ( I hate that term) it’s belittling. If it were two men, would you have jumped in like this? just curious. It just comes off as condescending. Sorry StNick, I don’t really know you and maybe misunderstanding you but that has always bugged me.

They both have valid points seem to handling themselves very well.
 
Rob's Wife:
Because I support sexism! I support men being men. I support women being women. Both deserving of respect as God’s creations. I do not support women with ignorant ideas of thinking that “equal” means becoming like men. Equal does not neccessarily mean “same”. I find it funny that “women rights” tries to immitate the men and “patriarch” type institutions they claim are so horribly unfair.

NOW who’s being “sexist”?! So because I’m proud to be wife to a truely good man - that makes me less of a woman?? If that’s the logic you use - then what does your screen name say about you? Nothing but shallow cute looks to commend you?

And yes, I do belong to my husband - and he belongs to me! Marriage means becoming more than just yourself as an individual - it means becoming more as you grow with anther person. It’s not some kind of freak “time-share” program. It’s not “ownership”.

I write, I rock-climb, I cliff-dive, a cook, I clean, I teach my kids to read, I go to college, I take my kids (note I didn’t say sons!) to search for scorpions with a black light, I take care of the bank account and pay the bills, I do so many things as a woman. Yes, I’m more than “Rob’s wife” or "__'s mom – but those are what I’m the most proud of and I’m tired of so many women thinking it’s worth nothing.
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to be fair rob’s wife did start the argument by saying that cutecathchics comment was “silly” and using words like “duh” but i would have to say that i agree more with robs wife than with cutecathchic after all a womans place really is in the home and raising the children.
 
I voted:
Don’t know, but I pray I never have to find out.
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That cannot and will not happen. In an imaginary world were it did, I would proclaim the Chair of Peter empty and march myself over to an SSPX chapel.
 
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bjorn:
after all a womans place really is in the home and raising the children.
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Or living a celibate life, possibly becoming a nun/sister.

This argument is as silly as a man crying out “Why can I not bear children?!” and giving the finger to God.
 
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