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PJM
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You’re entirely welcome my friend.
As a FYI
If you’d like more infomation on this send me a PM
God Bless you,
Patrick
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As a FYI
If you’d like more infomation on this send me a PM
God Bless you,
Patrick
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Dave_Noonan
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I’ve asked these question in other fora and no one has ever answered them, so since you asked, here you go…
- Why do Catholics picket outside of abortion clinics and not IVF clinics?
- Why do Catholics allow bishops who covered up the sex abuse scandal to remain in office? And a related question, why does the Catholic Church permit sex abusing priests to stay on diocesean payrolls?
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PJM
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Thanks for asking.
As for the murder factories; we call them “Prayer vigils” not "pickets. We pray for a conversion of hearts, and God’s Mercy on those involved.
The second one, I’m not sure i CAN [have the know-how] to answer. I’m not avoiding the issue.
Bishops remain Bishops; and there are FAR more charges than facts. I recall a few Bishops being removed or stepping down. As for the priest; I studied this issue a few years ago and discovered that while the Catholic Church gets most of the media coverage; that as a percent to the priest population it mirrors very closely what is happening in other faiths and the NAtional average. PLEASE understand; I’m trying to answer your questions. NOT make excuses.
But the Church, not dissimilar to American Justice does not PRESUME guilt until such time as it is firmly established. It is clearly evident that the Catholic Church is the BULLSEYE target for Mass media.
That said there is NO excuse for this behavior; NONE!. In my prior research every proven case has resulted in the priest being reassigned to a Ministry AWAY form kids. WHY not just get rid of them? There are SEVERAL reasons: And similar to Bishops, the Sacrament of Holy Orders is permanent…
There is a HUGE priest shortage following the changes of Vatican’s II “Spirit”
Every sin repented and Sacramentally Confessed can be forgiven
Jn. 20:21-23 “He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you.When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost.Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained”
Mt. 18:21-22 “Then came Peter unto him and said: Lord, how often shall my brother offend against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith to him: I say not to thee, till seven times; but till seventy times seven times”
And the way you phrase the question needs also to be addressed. The RCC is not a democracy. At best its a benevolent - and good- sorta- dictatorship [NOTHING actually describes it]. The Laity has no vote; a BIG voice, but no vote. BECAUSE GOD HAS PROMISED TO GUIDE AND PROTECT THE CHURCH; THE CHURCH ITSELF CANNOT SIN AND REMAINS HOLY; ITS THE PEOPLE WITHIN THE CHURCH THAT ARE SINNERS. Keep in mind there are over ONE BILLION Catholics worldwide. Even the 12 Apostles had a SERIOUS sinner in their midst.
Thank you for asking,
God Bless you,
Patrick
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MarinerFan
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Do Catholics pray to Mary? As a protestant, that’s a big hang up for me. My Catholic friend tells me no, they do not pray to her nor worship her. And yet I have looked at websites for different Catholic churches around the country and right on the sites some of them talk about praying to Mary. And also, there is a term “co-redemptrix with Christ” (I apologize, I know I didn’t spell that correctly) - what does that mean?
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McCartney
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Everyone seems to be talking about the woodcutter but missing the important points. Well, when you die you are either sent to heaven (you must have lived a very holy life), purgatory ( when you did not die in the state of mortal sin but needed to get cleansed) or to hell (because you had the stain of a mortal sin.
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McCartney
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Just tell them that God commanded Moses to build two golden statues of Cherubim to be placed on the Ark of the Covenant. Hence the God of Moses must have been a catholic God as a protestant God would never have allowed Moses to build statues.
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Through_Him
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It would be good to read The foot of the cross the sorrows of mary by Fredrick William Faber.
It is a long book but i think you can download google e-book
I have not read the entire thing but to me it is like when i watched the movie the passion i began to see Mary as a lady a mother with much compassion. After all she was at the foot of the cross and not just the last 10 minutes ither. Sorrows in His heart as well as hers as this gets threw in the book.
I think Mel Gibson really got that through in the movie.
Faber became a follower of John Newman if that is any help.
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PJM
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Dear friend in Christ,
Thank you for the questions.
You’ve touched on a topic often asked and not fully understood and I am grateful for the opportunity to share the Catholic side of this topic. Also thanks for not using the term “worship”; which is something Catholics DO reserve for God alone.
- There is no mandate for Catholics to pray to Mary or any of the Saints. So then why do we do it?
- Our understanding of Mary and her importance to Christ who is both Her Son and the Son of God Lk.1;29-30, is more in “tune” with what Christ ask us to do, according to the bible:
Notice the highlighted teachings
Here just prior to dying, Jesus GIVES His Mother to the World [represented by John]. He uses the Universal term “WOMEN” not “mother.” And “disciple” not “John” It is God’s desire that we take advantage of Mary’s close and intimate relationship with Her Son. But it remains a personal piety option. “I THIRST” tells us Jesus DESIRE to do MORE han all He had already done: That MORE includes utilizing Mary.
By far the most common pray “to Mary” “The Hail Mary” is biblically grounded
Hail Mary, [Lk.1:28]
Full of Grace [Lk.1:28]
The Lord is with thee [Lk.1:27]
Blessed are you among all women [Lk.1:42]
And Blessed in the fruit of your womb: Jesus [Lk.1;42]
Holy Mary [Lk.1: 28]
Mother of God 1:35
Pray for us sinners [our catholic petition]
Now and at the hour of our death
Amen”*
While praying to Mary remains only a GREAT option; believing in the Marian Doctrines and Dogma’s is mandatory.
The reason Catholics choose to pray “to” Mary** & the Saints is as follows
Mary and the Canonized Saints are KNOWN to be in heaven
We take advantage of that fact and their willingness [as a part of the “Communion of saints” [those in heaven, purgatory and on earth] to INTERCEDE on our behalf. This optional practice is GOOD because Mary and the Saints ADD their own prayers for us on-top of ours and then PRESENT to Christ for us; making our prayers more efficacious.
Mary as co-redemptrix of graces:
This is a honor Christ choose to bestow on His Mother who endured His life and Death on earth.
It means Mary DISTRIBUTES ALL graces. That all grace flows through Her.
It does NOT mean she is the SOURCE of Grace. That remains with God
Nor does She determine who gets how much or what kind of grace. That too is God’s providence.
Space is limited so send me a PM if you desire more information.
God Bless you,
Patrick*
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PJM
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Hi, I’m the OP
SORRY, but I looked at prior post and could not find your questions:blush:
PLEASE either ask them again or better yet send them to me in a PM [Private Message} and I promise I WILL respond to them.
God Bless you,
Patrick [PJM]
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PJM
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NO, the Church OFFICIALLY can’t error on Faith Matters and Moral matters. It’s impossible so your second question is voided. WHY?
Mt. 15:18-19 " And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, **and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. **And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven."
Mt. 28:19-20 "Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.
John 17:14-20 " I have given them thy word, and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world; as I also am not of the world. I pray not that thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that thou shouldst keep them from evil.
[GOD CANNOT DENY HIS OWN REQUEST[ They are not of the world, as I also am not of the world. **Sanctify them in truth. Thy word is truth. As thou hast sent me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. [THIS MEANS EXACTLY WHAT IT SAY’S: WITH GODS OWN POWERS, GOODNESS AND AUTHORITY
] And for them do I sanctify myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth. And not for them only do I pray, but for them also who through their word shall believe in me;"FOR YOUR PROPOSITION TO HAVE TRACTION EITHER THE BIBLE CAN’T BE RELIED ON OR GOD LIED
Neither is possible. AmenGod Bless you,
Patrick
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PJM
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This IS a serious question. Your attempt at humor is inappropriate here.=steido01;11791438]It would seem that unbaptized woodchucks might indeed chuck wood, at least according to 2 Samuel. Though the question remains… How much?
PLEASE refrain form these uncharitable remarks. THANK you,
Patrick
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PJM
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Friend,
YOU’RE embarrassing yourself and Christ Catholic Church.
Patrick
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PJM
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GREAT Question:thumbsup:
It;s both logical and biblical:
There can be only One True God
One TRUE God can and DOES hold only One set of Faith beliefs [Eph. 4:4-8]
Following the OT tradition og God’s One Chosen people; Christ founded ONLY One True Church; today’s Catholic church. Historically and biblically provable.
I’m not sure I have sufficient space to LIST all of the evidence but here is a summary
Mt. 10: 1-8 Christ chooses, names and gives His new Apostles His Godly Powers
Mt. 16:15-19 Christ Founds One New Faith in One New Church [NOTE the singular tense
“I- You, My, Rock, Peter. Church” ALL precisely expressed by a perfect God.
Mk. 17: 14-15 Christ changes His prior mandate to ONLY the Jews to NOW the entire world
My. 28:16-20 The above is repeated and once again we NOTE the singular tense: “I, MY, You” entire world.
Then in John 17:14-19 "[COLOR=“Red”] I have given them thy word, and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world;I pray not that thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that thou shouldst keep them from evil.
Sanctify them in truth. Thy word is truth. [As thou hast sent me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. [THIS MEANS EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS; WITH GODS VERY OWM POWERS AND AUTHORITY] ** And for them do I sanctify myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth [HERE JESUS LITERALLY GIVES HIMSELF AS THE WARRANTY OF CATHOLIC TEACHING HIS SINGULAR TRUTHS].** And not for them only do I pray, but for them also who through their word shall believe in me;**"
And in John 20:19-23 we see this Power manifested:
" Now when it was late that same day, the first of the week, and the doors were shut, where the disciples [APOSTLES] were gathered together, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and said to them: Peace be to you. And when he had said this, he shewed them his hands and his side. **He said therefore to them again: ****Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. **22] When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained
This is but one of the seven Sacraments all Instituted by Christ to be a source of Grace and man’s conditional salvation.
There is very much more, but this is a fair summary.
Thanks for asking,Patrick**
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PJM
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I dear friend have NOT the slightest idea where your getting such a wrong notion? And please forgive by correcting also your send notion. Its false and nowhere close to the actual truth.
PLEASE if your going to suggest these radical positions; PROVIDE true evidence of them.
If you’d like proof of our catholic position, please ask.
God Bless you,
Patrick
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Peter_J
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Let me warn you that this post may seem contradictory, at least on the surface. One part of me wants to say that your friend must be very badly informed to say that we do not pray to Mary. However, another part of me wants to point out that we didn’t always call it “praying to Mary” so in that sense your friend’s statement might make sense. (When I say “we didn’t always” I don’t mean a VCII thing or anything like that. I’m going back several centuries.)
P.S. It should be understood, I hope, that we definitely do not worship Mary or the saints.
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1Tim215Mommy
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The Eastern Catholic forum on this site has Eastern Catholic Christians who talk openly about their Catholic Faith.
It was a Coptic Catholic who stated that their Coptic Catholic rite/church teaches/believes that Christ has one nature-even pointing out that the Catholic Church condemned their belief for centuries, but now they’re in union while holding to Christ having one nature.
The others who said that their Catholic Rite/Church uses the Liturgy of Nestorius, I believe they were Assyrian Catholics.
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Peter_J
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Forgive me for going off on a slight tangent, but I think this could be used as an example in a textbook telling people about the internet (or about discussion forums, depending how you look at it). You’ve got two posters, first the original CC poster and now PJM, saying directly contradictory things. Anyone who believes that something is made true by being posted on the forum, will here be in an insoluble dilemma.
But (at the risk of stating the obvious) the truth is that, if something is true it is true whether posted on the forum or not, and if false then false whether posted on the forum or not.
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McCartney
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This IS a serious question. Your attempt at humor is inappropriate here.
PLEASE refrain form these uncharitable remarks. THANK you,
Patrick
Thank you. I too posted that people were more interested in the woodcutter than in answering the serious questions.Friend,
YOU’RE embarrassing yourself and Christ Catholic Church.
Patrick
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McCartney
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Yes Catholics do pray to Mary. Why do we do it? Because Mary is the most powerful human ever created. AT the wedding feast at Canna, Mary told Jesus, “They have no wine”. Jesus said, “What is it to me? My hour has not yet come”. Mary in full confidence told the servants to do whatever He asked. Jesus then changed water into wine. So Mary was able to get God the Son to do what she wanted Him to do. How powerful is that?
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