What you guys think of St Nilus and his prophecy?

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here is the site. it looks allright to me.

olrl.org/prophecy/st_nilus.shtml

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Those who commit these types of scandals are guilty of the spiritual equivalent of murder, but I’m here among you to prevent something far worse for you. While those who give scandal are guilty of the spiritual equivalent of murder, those who take scandal — who allow scandals to destroy their faith — are guilty of spiritual suicide. **St. Francis de Sales
 
Depressing. Seems to have hit the nail on the head. Never heard of it before.
 
Totally bogus (as you would expect of an alleged prophecy claiming, “people will be deprived of the grace of the Holy Spirit”). Reads like it was written around 1995, which is, of course, why it “hit the nail on the head” as regards the 1960s. “Ooh, cut yer hair, ya long-haired hippie!”

Of course the problem with dating (during St. Nilus’ lifetime they didn’t have the concept of numbering centuries from the birth of Christ) immediately occurred to me. There’s also the little problem that the articles on this alleged prophecy don’t even bother to claim some hard-to-locate source for it.
 
how can you know it is bogus?

it pretty much describes our time. it is not saying that world is going to end tomorrow or it does not gives a date. it does describe our times though.
 
wisdomseeker said:
how can you know it is bogus?

it pretty much describes our time. it is not saying that world is going to end tomorrow or it does not gives a date. it does describe our times though.
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Dude. It describes our times because it was written in our times. It reads like someone read the Book of Revelation and said, “Hey, I could write in that style too!” Please let me know if you can find one iota of evidence that this alleged prophecy predates, say, the year 1970. I mean, surely such an important prophecy has been discussed in at least a few legitimate books, right?

Interestingly, in doing some research on this question I came across the very legitimate Prophecy of St. Linus of Torvalds (martyred 412), which amazingly seems to predict the rise of the Internet:

The Prophecy of St. Linus

Lo and amen, I say unto you, there shall come a time right round the end of that century of the ages which is to be called the twentieth, when the voices of man even from the four corners of the earth shall speak to one another. Yea, the world shall be bound together even as by a great Web of a spider, and through this Web shall man communicate. But lo, as the crawling spider is a venomous agent of the Enemy, so too the Great Web of the Great Spider is a tool to wreak destruction upon the souls of man; and many carnal and lustful desires shall be caught up in the Web, and it shall be but a series of tubes through which are funneled flames of anger, yea, and as foretold in the Scriptures there shall come many false prophets, spewing lies unto the ruination of souls as the hissing viper spews poison. And through this Web shall lies and untruths be spread, and false prophecies, and many souls shall be led into error. Amen, amen, I say to you, this is the vision I received, which I saw clearly as on a great “screen,” of the distant future, to come some sixteen centuries hence, for verily I have written this prophecy down in the four hundredth year after the birth of the great Jesus the Christ.

So, it really is astonishing how some things could have been accurately predicted so long ago.
 
MarkThompson said:
Dude. It describes our times because it was written in our times. It reads like someone read the Book of Revelation and said, “Hey, I could write in that style too!” Please let me know if you can find one iota of evidence that this alleged prophecy predates, say, the year 1970. I mean, surely such an important prophecy has been discussed in at least a few legitimate books, right?

Interestingly, in doing some research on this question I came across the very legitimate Prophecy of St. Linus of Torvalds (martyred 412), which amazingly seems to predict the rise of the Internet:

The Prophecy of St. Linus

Lo and amen, I say unto you, there shall come a time right round the end of that century of the ages which is to be called the twentieth, when the voices of man even from the four corners of the earth shall speak to one another. Yea, the world shall be bound together even as by a great Web of a spider, and through this Web shall man communicate. But lo, as the crawling spider is a venomous agent of the Enemy, so too the Great Web of the Great Spider is a tool to wreak destruction upon the souls of man; and many carnal and lustful desires shall be caught up in the Web, and it shall be but a series of tubes through which are funneled flames of anger, yea, and as foretold in the Scriptures there shall come many false prophets, spewing lies unto the ruination of souls as the hissing viper spews poison. And through this Web shall lies and untruths be spread, and false prophecies, and many souls shall be led into error. Amen, amen, I say to you, this is the vision I received, which I saw clearly as on a great “screen,” of the distant future, to come some sixteen centuries hence, for verily I have written this prophecy down in the four hundredth year after the birth of the great Jesus the Christ.

So, it really is astonishing how some things could have been accurately predicted so long ago.
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yet, you doubt of the other things it is said. how come?
 
wisdomseeker said:
here is the site. it looks allright to me.

olrl.org/prophecy/st_nilus.shtml

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Those who commit these types of scandals are guilty of the spiritual equivalent of murder, but I’m here among you to prevent something far worse for you. While those who give scandal are guilty of the spiritual equivalent of murder, those who take scandal — who allow scandals to destroy their faith — are guilty of spiritual suicide. **St. Francis de Sales
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I’m going to read more on that but i stopped at this one thing…

Why did the Church take this guy and encourage him to be a priest when he was married and had children? i dont know the ages of the children but… Prospectiv Nuns, on the other hand… can’t become nuns as long as they have minor children… seems to be a discrimination thing here… just my honest thoughts…

i know of this one woman who didnt’ have legal custody of any of her children so on paper she had no children… yet she was rejected as a nun 4 having children…
 
wisdomseeker said:
how would know it is bogus? because wikipedia said so? it is not setting a time for the end of the world. at least i didnt see it. did you?
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How would I know it’s true? Because the name of a 4th century monk was associated with it? Or the 17th century saint of the same name? Or the possibility that it was written in the 14th century? Or the general vagueness of it all?

I put little faith in prophecies that foretell the end of the world because so far, they have a 100% failure rate. It would be better for people to put their faith in God, work on their own salvation with Him, and forget about this end times stuff. Who cares if it happens tomorrow or a thousand years from now? If we live the way we should with fear and trembling before the Lord, then we will end up in the same spot regardless of when.
 
distracted said:
I’m going to read more on that but i stopped at this one thing…

Why did the Church take this guy and encourage him to be a priest when he was married and had children? i dont know the ages of the children but… Prospectiv Nuns, on the other hand… can’t become nuns as long as they have minor children… seems to be a discrimination thing here… just my honest thoughts…

i know of this one woman who didnt’ have legal custody of any of her children so on paper she had no children… yet she was rejected as a nun 4 having children…
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A priest is different from a religious. The Church will not allow a man to become a brother with minor children. A nun and a brother are the same thing, a nun and a priest are two totally different things.

I know this is off topic but this is a commonly held misconception that I believe needs to be addressed.
 
The Prophecy of St. Linus

Lo and amen, I say unto you, there shall come a time right round the end of that century of the ages which is to be called the twentieth, when the voices of man even from the four corners of the earth shall speak to one another. Yea, the world shall be bound together even as by a great Web of a spider, and through this Web shall man communicate. But lo, as the crawling spider is a venomous agent of the Enemy, so too the Great Web of the Great Spider is a tool to wreak destruction upon the souls of man; and many carnal and lustful desires shall be caught up in the Web, and it shall be but a series of tubes through which are funneled flames of anger, yea, and as foretold in the Scriptures there shall come many false prophets, spewing lies unto the ruination of souls as the hissing viper spews poison. And through this Web shall lies and untruths be spread, and false prophecies, and many souls shall be led into error. Amen, amen, I say to you, this is the vision I received, which I saw clearly as on a great “screen,” of the distant future, to come some sixteen centuries hence, for verily I have written this prophecy down in the four hundredth year after the birth of the great Jesus the Christ.

So, it really is astonishing how some things could have been accurately predicted so long ago.

Very funny! You should publish.
 
rkrispies said:
How would I know it’s true? Because the name of a 4th century monk was associated with it? Or the 17th century saint of the same name? Or the possibility that it was written in the 14th century? Or the general vagueness of it all?

I put little faith in prophecies that foretell the end of the world because so far, they have a 100% failure rate. It would be better for people to put their faith in God, work on their own salvation with Him, and forget about this end times stuff. Who cares if it happens tomorrow or a thousand years from now? If we live the way we should with fear and trembling before the Lord, then we will end up in the same spot regardless of when.
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This is a good reason to put little faith into them but I have a better one.

God said that we will not know the time or day or season. So if He said we will not know then we will not know no matter how many “prophecies” are found to say otherwise. God does not lie.

I think these “prophecies” gain traction because people want to hear from God and they need a crutch to help them along in their faith.

Just look at all the conspiricy theories out there. JFK, 9/11, the Moon Landing, there are enough of those with out facts that it is not surprising that people of faith would create their own.
 
wisdomseeker said:
yet, you doubt of the other things it is said. how come?
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You know how there are some really gullible people in the world, who are always falling for ridiculous scams like “I am a Nigerian PRince, who needs to move twenty (20) millions of dollars to safe bank account. If you can allow me to transfer said funds through your account, I will let you keep 10% (TWO millions USdollars). Just provide your banking informations and I will make the transfer.”? I’m telling you this in all charity: you may want to start evaluating whether you are one of those people.

I wrote the “Prophecy of St. Linus.” All I did was cobble together some facts about the world, like the existence of pornography on the internet, plus the point I’m trying to make to you today, which is that false prophecies (like your Prophecy of St. Nilus) are spread on the internet and lead people astray. Then I wrote it up in fairly bad pseudo-Biblical language, with a lot of Yeas, Los, and Verilys. I provided fake dates and put a fake name on it – there is no St. Linus of Torvalds, in fact Linus Torvalds is a famous software engineer. I also referred to the Web as a “series of tubes.” And despite the fact that on this thread it’s already been mentioned that people did not date things from the time of Christ until around the sixth century, I wrote the prophecy as dating itself from 400 years after Christ. Finally, with absolutely no evidence at all, I assured you that the prophecy was legitimate.

Please tell me that you did not believe this was a real prophecy from the year 400.
 
By the way folks, I just read about this rather interesting work, purportedly dating from around the 9th-11th century AD. The following is just a translation; the piece is written in very barbaric Latin, and survives in only one badly-worn fragment which probably originated somewhere in Southern Italy.

The original is apparently written by a Paulus Didaccus (also known as Paul the Greek), who, based on the surviving evidence we have, was apparently an 8th-century Christian from Constantinople who was martyred at Al-Andalus (modern Andalusia). We have scanty evidence of his life or cult - most pertaining documents were destroyed, and his relics were purportedly lost during the Reconquista, but it seems that scattered communities in modern Spain still celebrate his feastday (April 8).

Paulus employs the Byzantine chronology system called the Etos Kosmou, which starts at 5509 BC, which would fit well with his Greek origins. The surviving piece (which is clearly a mere excerpt of a longer letter) takes the form of a prophecy: in the earlier half. Paulus teaches a certain Philippus about the things which would happen in the future “when all the tribes of the earth is bound together as unto a web”, probably referring to the times preceding the coming of the Antichrist, when people will start to appropriate the names of the saints and predict false things.

The latter half is more cryptic and is probably meant to be taken symbolically: Paulus starts to refer to Malus (evil? apple?) being ‘brought in unto Gates’ and roaming ‘Foxes of Fire’ and people shouting Iahoou (probably a transliteration) in jubilation and praise and the ‘casting of pods’.

Column 1: In [the] name o[f Chri]st, to whom [be the] glory an[d the mi]ght to th[e a]ges. A[m]en. [Th]e true, and m[ost honou]rable wor[ds] of
Column 2: P[au]lus surnamed Didaccus (?) conc[erning] the things which shall [unfold in t]he 7518th year sinc[e the crea]tion of this wo[rld].
Column 3: From the epis[tles of that most holy m]artyr. To Philip.
My son, i[t shall com]e to pa[ss that i]n th[e latter d[ays, w]hen al[l the tribe]s of the earth is bound t[ogethe]r as unto a web (?) that
Column 4: [so]me shall speak [falseho]od, ta[king unto themselv]es t[he names] of the most ho[nourable saints of] God, and, le[d by the Evil One, sh]all lea[d many]
Column 5: astray by claiming to spea[k in their n]ame, g[ushing forth lyi]ng prophe[ci]es from their wi[cked mou]ths.
Column 6: Yea, and they s[hall use th[e sp]id[er-w]eb as a vehicle w[herewit]h to spread their c[ruel words, an]d many of the f[lock shal]l be de[ceived.] And many (lit. overflowing) shall (be) the sigh[ts] (?) there[of]…
Column 7: … pages shall be[ar thei]r deceitful words, an[d] the Holy Ch[urche]s of Go[d] shall be conf[use]d and … distinguish betw[een wha]t is true and wh[at is falseh]oo[d] …
Column 8: … they sh[all ca]ll out u[nto each ot]her, inqiring [the tr]uth. And some shall re[pea]t the lyin[g wo]rds, un]witti[ngl]y being … be …
Column 9: … Evil (malus, some suggest it be rendered as “Apple”) shal[l be bro]ught in unto Gates … Foxes of Fire shall [ro]am and …
Column 10: … men s[hall shou]t in ju[bilatio]n in … strange to[ngu]e thus: Iahoou (?) … and … instant, Messenge[r of dea]th … plagues sh[al]l…
Column 11: … the ea[rth sh]all … un[to the ai]r, flying … casting pods (lobi) …
Column 12: … live. And then shal[l the unc]lean be[ast rise u]p and le[a]d … [a]stray …
Column 13: … fire … a small soptus (?, orig. micro sopta) …
Column 14: … the[n sh]all (the) G[od of th]e quick and th[e dead] shall come … w[orl]d by fir[e]. …
Column 15: … C … af … the door (Latin forum) …
Column 16: …reads … [ti]me [unt]o his hands …
Column 17: … spe[ake]th thus.
Column 18: …

Whosoever readeth this work in seriousness needeth to check his humor, for this is but a satire.
 
The first thing I noticed was the source the alleged prophecies were obtained from. The group is among the many different Sede Vacantist groups that promote such things as if they were a part of the Deposit of the Faith, and take upon themselves the authority to judge all popes from Pope John XXIII as anti-popes, the Bishop of the place sold off quite a few vestments, altarstones, missals, etc both Pre and Post Vatican II on ebay. Not something that a good Catholic Cleric would do with consecrated items. There are other allegations, which I will not bring up as I’ve only heard them through second and third hand sources.
 
@patrick457: That is an absolutely inspired translation. You would be a credit to any university classics department.
 
patrick457 said:
Amen. 🙂
Poor St. Nilus, having his named tagged to a prophecy which he actually never had a hand on.

Mark, let’s count the time it would take for someone to spread the Prophecy of St. Linus as though it were a factual work. 😉
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I had a very naughty thought to post it on my Facebook…but…well, I just don’t want to be responsible for the fallout… 😛 😛
 
MarkThompson said:
@patrick457: That is an absolutely inspired translation. You would be a credit to any university classics department.
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Y’know, that’s actually only the translation of the recto side of the fragment. The verso side is in a much worse condition and is still being deciphered. Who knows what secrets it may contain!? 😉
What gets me though is Iahoou. Aside from this prophecy, there is no other instance of the word at all in Greek and Latin literature! :hmmm:
 
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