littlesheep wrote:
John 17 verse 12 While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.
Why wonder? this is what Christ Himself said about him.
Was it? We, He certainly did not say that in English!
But, if I am not wrong - this is a direct quote from the NIV Bible; which means that those “behind” the NIV “best-guess” that that is what Jesus said.
Here is some-one (who is NOT a Catholic) who does NOT agree with some of (what he claims to be) the errors contained in the NIV:
“Could The NIV Be The True Word of God?”, Author Dr. Paul E. Heaton -
Part ! at
http://www.i-star.com/users/parab/NIV.htm
Part 2 at
http://www.i-star.com/users/parab/NIV.htm
You may see his disagreement with the NIV translation vis a vis the King James Version in Part 1 by scrolling down to the last St John quote - which includes:
QUOTE]
“…and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition, that the scriptures might be fulfilled.”
which is almost word for word in agreement with the Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible!
Not that the King James Version gets off scott-free - as an inspection of the following website will reveal:
http://www.catholicapologetics.net/0002kjv.htm
As Fr. Paul Stenhouse, M.S.C. pointed out – the Church has never claimed that Judas was eternally damned – for that is the perogerative reserved for God alone to pass on a soul.
However, there has been speculation, as may be viewed, for example, at
http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft0305/articles/dulles.html Avery Cardinal Dulles writes:
The New Testament does not tell us in so many words that any particular person is in hell. But several statements about Judas can hardly be interpreted otherwise. Jesus says that he has kept all those whom the Father has given him except the son of perdition (John 17:12). At another point Jesus calls Judas a devil (John 6:70), and yet again says of him: “It would be better for that man if he had never been born” (Matthew 26:24; Mark 14:21). If Judas were among the saved, these statements could hardly be true. Many saints and doctors of the Church, including St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, have taken it as a revealed truth that Judas was reprobated. Some of the Fathers place the name of Nero in the same select company, but they do not give long lists of names, as Dante would do.
etc…
This side of eternity my guess is that we will never know for sure whether or not Judas repented…
