What's a future pharmacist to do?

[Traditional_Ang]

Guys, I know that this has been my hobby horse for the past few days…

You can groan ALL you want so long as you go to this thread an follow the directions in my POSTS # 10, 15 & 20:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=50594

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=603302&postcount=10

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=608992&postcount=15

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=613154&postcount=20

I’ve written sample letters, etc., for you to use in contacting the recalcitrant 7. I’d appreciate all the help.

You seel,if we can get judges in there who OVRTURN ROVE v. WADE (The Dread Scott OF OUR ERA), you might not have to worry as much about some of these moral dilemas.

As an aside, I like the Thomas More Law Center idea and also checking with Pharmacists for Life.

But, please, go to the Thread i’ve linked and call, e-mail and write those Senators.

Thank You and Goodnight.

May the Lord bless those who try to help His Little Ones, Michael

 

[hopeandlove]

Hi Teri,

I worked for a short time as a Pharmacy Tech for a retail chain. The pharnacist there refused to fill scripts for the Moring after Pill if it was written with refills. The also refused Pain scripts if they thought the customer was abusing/selling the drug. You might have more power then you think, Ask what their policy is on you refusing to fill scripts for any drug NOT just BC. Good Luck!

 

[Lisa_N]

Did anyone else hear that ghastly monologue where a comedian (???) was making fun of the pharmacists who refused to dispense ABC or morning after pills? This ‘comic’ was so disrespectful of the entire profession, indicating that as a mere pharmacist you were slightly above the person who runs the photo processor. Obviously he didn’t know the extremely difficult program to become a pharmacist. I kept waiting for the national organization to object to this belittling of an extremely difficult profession. I didn’t hear any objections but anyone listening to the show might have thought you could become a pharmacist by sending in two boxtops from Wheaties.

At any rate I second the suggestion to become a hospital pharmacist in a Catholic hospital. Our hospital has several pharmacies and most do not deal with ABC or morning after pills

Lisa N

 

[TeriGator]

Lisa N:

Did anyone else hear that ghastly monologue where a comedian (???) was making fun of the pharmacists who refused to dispense ABC or morning after pills? This ‘comic’ was so disrespectful of the entire profession, indicating that as a mere pharmacist you were slightly above the person who runs the photo processor. Obviously he didn’t know the extremely difficult program to become a pharmacist. I kept waiting for the national organization to object to this belittling of an extremely difficult profession. I didn’t hear any objections but anyone listening to the show might have thought you could become a pharmacist by sending in two boxtops from Wheaties.

Lisa, that is truly sad. Pharmacists used to be one of the most respected professions around, but now we are going be at the center of yet another smear campaign run by the pro-abortion proponents. This is something meaty, that they can rally even those who hate abortion to their side.

I would like to stay here in Florida, so I’m going to see if there are any Catholic hospitals around that need a pharmacist next year. I even contacted the company behind the Ave Maria development outside Naples, in hopes that they could tell me if any drugstores or hospitals were planned for that. After all, if you can’t run an OC-free drugstore in a Catholic town, where else could you?

Right now, my future is all in God’s hands. Please pray for me, and for the future of the pro-life movement.

 

[Listener]

I have to respectfully disagree with a lot of the people who posted on the thread. In the first place, there is a far greater chance that the fertilized egg will fail to implant when you are OFF the pill than when you are on the pill. Look up the statistics. When the pill is used correctly, it prevents ovulation at least 95% of the time. Out of the women who get pregnant, many of them will have healthy full term babies, so there is about a 2-3% chance of pregnancy with implantation failure. This rate is much lower than it is when you are OFF the pill, since at least 15% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage (most of them very early).

The pill can be used to treat menorrhagia, ovarian cysts, fibroids, endometroisis, dysfunctional uterine bleeding, and Willebrand’s disease, to name a few. A post on this thread said it is only used for these purposes only 1% of the time. That percentage sounds awfully low to me. However, if even one woman who truly needs medication gets it denied by a self-righteous pharmacist, that is one too many.

If you use the line of reasoning in this thread, pharmacists could not dispense Viagra. Why? Well, the men could be using it for fornication or adultery. They might be married but not validly so in the eyes of God. Are you going to deny them a prescription for Viagra?

Another example are drugs that lower cholesterol, such as Zocor. A known side effect is that it causes birth defects. I’m told that women of child bearing age shouldn’t take it. Are you going to deny people their prescriptions for lowering their cholesterol too? After all, they might get pregnant and the birth defects might kill the child.

I think that when you start denying legitimate drugs to people, you are going down a very slippery slope.

 

[johnq]

Listener:

However, if even one woman who truly needs medication gets it denied by a self-righteous pharmacist, that is one too many.

I think that when you start denying legitimate drugs to people, you are going down a very slippery slope.

Listener :tiphat:

I see your frustration for self-righteous pharmacist denying legitimate drugs to people. I hope no one is denied legitimate drugs. I also hope that legitimate drugs are not prescribed without finding the cause or finding healthier alternatives. I hope you do not mind answering some questions.

Do you have the same frustration with Doctors prescribing the pill when there are healthier alternatives?

If the pill can cause an abortion, why does it matter if the chances are small?

Do you think most Doctors actually try to find the cause of the problem or do they “treat” it with the pill?

Does the pill actually “treat” the problem or cover it up?

“However, if even one woman who truly needs medication gets it denied by a self-righteous pharmacist, that is one too many.” There seems to be alot of emphasis on the woman rights, how do you feel about the baby’s right? Wouldn’t one abortion be too many? Keeping in mind the babies rights, does a woman need to consider every alternative before using the pill while sexually active?

Should women using the pill validly chart their fertility so that no abortions would occur?

Thanks for answering my questions.

God

 

[coralewisjr]

This is slightly off-topic…but I’m job-hunting and I might end up as a cashier at somewhere like Wal*Mart (the business is hypothetical; they’re not hiring in my town). If I was a cashier and someone wanted to buy condoms, would I have the legal right to refuse them and keep my job?

 

[hopeandlove]

coralewisjr:

This is slightly off-topic…but I’m job-hunting and I might end up as a cashier at somewhere like Wal*Mart (the business is hypothetical; they’re not hiring in my town). If I was a cashier and someone wanted to buy condoms, would I have the legal right to refuse them and keep my job?

If they are under 16 I think you do, atleast we did at the chain I worked for, and that was 5 years ago.

 

[TeriGator]

Listener:

However, if even one woman who truly needs medication gets it denied by a self-righteous pharmacist, that is one too many.

I think that when you start denying legitimate drugs to people, you are going down a very slippery slope.

Actually, I am not denying anyone their prescriptions. I’m merely refusing to be a party to something that my faith informs me is wrong. Someone else without my beliefs can fill them.

The real slippery slope came when we began accepting artificial contraception in the first place: first came the pill, then came abortion, then came euthanasia … where does the slope end?

 

[TeriGator]

Listener:

I think that when you start denying legitimate drugs to people, you are going down a very slippery slope.

Just as a reminder, I am looking for some alternatives to being put in the position of denying drugs. I want to find a way to avoid having to deal with them at all. I’m not out there trying to make the drugs illegal.

 

[Listener]

johnq:

Listener :tiphat:

I see your frustration for self-righteous pharmacist denying legitimate drugs to people. I hope no one is denied legitimate drugs. I also hope that legitimate drugs are not prescribed without finding the cause or finding healthier alternatives. I hope you do not mind answering some questions.

Do you have the same frustration with Doctors prescribing the pill when there are healthier alternatives?

If the pill can cause an abortion, why does it matter if the chances are small?

Do you think most Doctors actually try to find the cause of the problem or do they “treat” it with the pill?

Does the pill actually “treat” the problem or cover it up?

“However, if even one woman who truly needs medication gets it denied by a self-righteous pharmacist, that is one too many.” There seems to be alot of emphasis on the woman rights, how do you feel about the baby’s right? Wouldn’t one abortion be too many? Keeping in mind the babies rights, does a woman need to consider every alternative before using the pill while sexually active?

Should women using the pill validly chart their fertility so that no abortions would occur?

Thanks for answering my questions.

God

Answers to questions:

If the problem could be cured by vitamins, exercise, herbs, etc., of course this should be tried first. People shouldn’t take any unnecessary medication.

If the pill can cause an abortion, why does it matter if the chances are small? I would like to quote from the Mayo Clinic Family Health Book on the subject of miscarriage: “About 50 percent of all fertilized eggs spontaneously abort, most of them before a woman has any idea she is pregnant. The percentage of miscarriages in women who know they are pregnant is about 10 percent.” They are not talking about women on the pill here. This tells me that there is a greater chance of spontaneous abortion happening to women who are NOT on the pill, since the pill normally suppresses ovulation.

I have no idea what most doctors do.

Since it would not be the woman’s desire that an egg would be fertilized and not “take,” how can she be guilty if it happened? She would not know that it had happened.

A married woman certainly could look for signs of ovulation if she is worried about this. She could always abstain if she thought she would be about to ovulate.

I don’t know whether the pill can cure a problem permanently, but I think it can postpone things getting worse. It will prevent endometriosis from growing worse. A woman with endometriosis could easily have problems where her uterus could be hostile to a fertilized egg, so this early abortion you’re talking about could easily happen if she doesn’t go on the pill.

If certain brands of the pill have worse problems with break-through ovulation, she could use the brand with the fewest problems.

Finally, here is a quote from Humanae Vitae:

"15. On the other hand, the Church does not consider at all illicit the use of those therapeutic means necessary to cure bodily diseases, even if a foreseeable impediment to procreation should result there from—provided such impediment is not directly intended for any motive whatsoever. (19) "