Whats a Protestant mass like?

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I went to a Church of England service while in England a few years back and was surprised–except for a few differences in the order of the Mass, it seemed more traditionally Catholic (i.e. altar rails and kneeling for Communion) than Catholic Masses I’d been too. I had this image of Anglicans being like the protestants I knew back home, but that wasn’t the case. I left thinking to myself, “and why aren’t they Catholic?”
 
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canadianlife:
I live right beside an Anglican Church, and just curious as to how they celebrate differently from us Catholics. Whats a protestant/anglican mass like? Thanks.
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Canadianlife:

Could you do me a favor and tell me if the parish you live next to is a member of the Church of Canada or of The Anglican Catholic Church of Canada?

There are different branches of Anglicans, and different levels of Churchmanship within and between those branches. The major branch in Canada is the Church of Canada. The branch I would go to would probably be the Anglican Catholic Church of Canada which is a part of the Traditional Anglican Communion (TAC).

The TAC is the group that’s been negotiating with the Vatican for most of the past 10 years.That’s been discussed here in 3 threads over the past 10 months, and I’m not crazy about resurrecting the topic.

I belong to a “Missal Parish”, so the Mass we use is very similar to the Solemn High Mass pre-Vatican 11 but in 17th Century English and the Canon is audible.

If you’re really interested, I suggest that you pay them a visit one Sunday after going to an early Mass at your Catholic Parish.

The Priests in my parish trace their orders through the Polish National Catholic Church, as do most of the clergy in the TAC, so their orders appear to be valid.

I live in the LA Archdiocese, which, thanks to Cardinal Mahony, is pretty much heterodox - If I had EWTN, Fr. Pavone or Fr. Fessio down the street, I would go there (sorry Abp. John and Bp. “CAG”).

I hope this helps.

Pax Vobiscum, Michael
 
Semper Fi:
So why don’t more High Church Anglicans seek to be Anglican Use?
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Semper Fi:

Many have and haven’t been welcomed. Even now, in spite of Pope JP II’s direct orders, many Archbishops (esp. in America) simply refuse to admit them. and, As soon as the parish begins to struggle, it’s often made into a Novus Ordo parish.

The Anglican Use isn’t a permanent structure, and the Book of Divine Worship is based on neither the American Missal nor the BCP 1928, but an amalgum of the 1979 BCP and some additions from the Novus Ordo by liberals who really hated the idea (the result is real dissonance to those accustomed to either the 1662 BCP (Anglican), 1928 BCP (American), or the English or American Missals).

And, just to make things worse, the Anglican Use isn’t advertised. Most Bishops do not do anything to promote it within their dioceses. Those that do have multiple AU parishes within theirs.

A sideline…

Among the options being proposed for the TAC was a Sui Iuris Church in Union with the Holy See (Same situation as the Eastern Catholic Churches) or a Prefecture supervised by the Holy See. If either of these had been done, the BCP’s that are standard in the TAC would have been modified under the supervision of the Holy Father or someone directly appointed by him.

From what I gather, the membership of the TAC balked big-time, and the Holy Father, in response, suggested “Intercommunion”. Apparently we didn’t do enough catechesis about why the 2 options above were the two best options for Anglicanism given the state of the rest of Anglicanism today.

I hope this answers the questions and any additional.

Pax Vobiscum, Michael
 
Here is a resource that may be useful for the curious:

Tracts and Publications

St Mary of the Angels emphasizes instruction in the good, the beautiful, and the true, whether for our Sunday-school children or adult students in the theological college.
As a practical help to personal growth in Christ and for the promulgation of mature understanding of the Faith, we publish a number of tracts, which are found on racks in the narthex. Some are old, including classics by the ancient Doctors of the Church or the Oxford tractarians; some are new, the work of our own Father Wilcox. Among their many topics are prayer, almsgiving, fasting, devotion, development of a rule of life, and how to read a lection without dismaying the congregation.

We have also published some litanies, liturgies and instructional resources. Some are available in print only. Some are linked below.

Keep watching this space as we add new titles.

stmaryoftheangels.org/tracts.html

I hope this helps to ease any confusion and to provide information on the TAC from a member of the clergy and one of the parishes.

Pax Vobiscum, Michael
 
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mercygate:
Since the promulgation of *Apostolicae curae *in 1896 many Anglican Episcopal Ordinations have included bishops from the Old Catholic and Polish National Catholic lines. Thus many Anglican Orders are likely to be valid, though illicit. When Graham Leonard, the former Anglican Bishop of London was ordained a Catholic Priest, the ordination was conditional. Translation: there was sufficient evidence that Fr. Leonard’s original ordination was valid that to ordain him de novo would have been sacrilege.
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And the first Anglican priest to be so conditionally ordained was Fr. John. J. Hughes, the author of the books I so often recommend on the Anglican case against Apostolicae Curae, written after he crossed the Tiber.

GKC
 
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canadianlife:
I live right beside an Anglican Church, and just curious as to how they celebrate differently from us Catholics. Whats a protestant/anglican mass like? Thanks.
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A Protestant Mass is to me an oxymoron like jumbo shrimp or army intelligence Of course I’m a former fundamentalist-- they don’t have masses just worship services
 
Glenn Lego:
A Protestant Mass is to me an oxymoron like jumbo shrimp or army intelligence Of course I’m a former fundamentalist-- they don’t have masses just worship services
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Perhaps you should broaden your horizons and not assume that fundamentalists are representative of all Protestants. I recommend for your perusal Article 24 of the Augsburg Confession. If there is one single classic statement of the basics of historic Protestantism (admittedly a highly dubious proposition), it’s probably the Augsburg Confession.

Edwin
 
Well my services usaully go like this:

-First the Praise team starts with a welcome/Beginning song to get the service going.
-Then we do a meet and greet for 5 min. Which is like you go find someone new to the service and go meet them.
-Then we do worship
  • Then one of my pastors prays
  • Offetory (usaully someone does a song during this)
  • Then the sermon for the rest of the service.
 
Originally Posted by mercygate
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A lot of Catholics ain’t too happy to see High Church Anglicans coming; we scare 'em.*

This is an interesting statement. Why would any Catholic feel uncomfortable about ‘High Church Anglicans’ coming into the Church?
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I know this is off topic but ,the reason it makes many uncomfortable is because many Catholics feel that these “High Church Anglicans” are too “Catholic” to suit them. They also resent them because they will point out some of the abuses that many Catholic priests are doing and they don’t like newcomers to be telling them what to do. I know this happened to our priest who came into the CC with a total of 18 parishioners and now has over 400 families, and also a school that currently has pre-k thru 10th with over 470 students and adding a new grade every year. Some priests don’t like it too that these AU churches are “stealing” some of their faithful. Many people in our parish just welcome the beauty of the AU mass and they join our Church because they have become tired of all the novelties (I was one of them) that are introduced by the “liturgist” and the pastor has become, so to say, “impotent”.
 
Semper Fi:
mercygate,

Yea there are Anglo-Catholics out there, but then there are the ‘Evanglical’ Anglicans. If Anglicanism is the Catholic Faith, how can there be so many varying views in this communion? i.e. there are some Anglicans who don’t accept the doctrine of the Communion of the Saints (in the Catholic view) and they are still considered 100% Anglican and in communion.
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Why can’t there be different views in the Anglican church. Do you think that the Catholic church agree on faith? There are different rites in the Catholic church. theres the Roman rite, Eastern rite,Merkite rite ,PNCC, and the Oreantal and many more independent Catholics. They all belive in the main Catholic faith.Like transubstantion we all belive in the true presence but we all don’t call it that. Some belive in infallibity of the pope some don’t,enternal Hell or not was Mary a virgin all her life? and many other things. So you see not even the Catholic church agrees on everything.
 
Semper Fi:
Hi. There are no protestant ‘masses’. They have no valid line of Apostolic Succession, don’t hold to our faith and thus don’t have the Eucharist. They have services at most.

God bless,
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Well, the Catholic Church teaches that some anglican priests do. Illicitly ordained, but validly ordained. Difficult to tell though…
 
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mercygate:
Since the promulgation of *Apostolicae curae *in 1896 many Anglican Episcopal Ordinations have included bishops from the Old Catholic and Polish National Catholic lines. Thus many Anglican Orders are likely to be valid, though illicit. When Graham Leonard, the former Anglican Bishop of London was ordained a Catholic Priest, the ordination was conditional. Translation: there was sufficient evidence that Fr. Leonard’s original ordination was valid that to ordain him de novo would have been sacrilege.
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How do you know that an episcopal priest have valid ordination?
 
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chriswilliam:
Why can’t there be different views in the Anglican church. Do you think that the Catholic church agree on faith? There are different rites in the Catholic church. theres the Roman rite, Eastern rite,Merkite rite ,PNCC, and the Oreantal and many more independent Catholics. They all belive in the main Catholic faith.Like transubstantion we all belive in the true presence but we all don’t call it that. Some belive in infallibity of the pope some don’t,enternal Hell or not was Mary a virgin all her life? and many other things. So you see not even the Catholic church agrees on everything.
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If I’m not mistaken, the Polish National Catholic Church is in schism. As for the other churches not in communion in Rome, or even individual believers, their beliefs are irrelevant to our doctrines, which are centered on the *teaching authority *of the Pope and the bishops in communion with him. Although there are several rites within the Roman Church, and there are many Churches in communion with Rome, all agree theologically, although there are differences in emphasis within each church.

As far as I know of the Church of England, there is no such unity in doctrine, and there are wide differences in doctrine within the Anglicans. Even the Thirty-Nine Articles (which are more of a historical document than relevant to modern Anglicanism) seem to show compromise on fundamental religious matters, in particular the Holy Eucharist.
 
The Augustinian:
If I’m not mistaken, the Polish National Catholic Church is in schism. As for the other churches not in communion in Rome, or even individual believers, their beliefs are irrelevant to our doctrines, which are centered on the *teaching authority *of the Pope and the bishops in communion with him. Although there are several rites within the Roman Church, and there are many Churches in communion with Rome, all agree theologically, although there are differences in emphasis within each church.

As far as I know of the Church of England, there is no such unity in doctrine, and there are wide differences in doctrine within the Anglicans. Even the Thirty-Nine Articles (which are more of a historical document than relevant to modern Anglicanism) seem to show compromise on fundamental religious matters, in particular the Holy Eucharist.
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What is church in schism?
 
The only Protestant Churches who have a Mass are the Anglican and Episcopal Churches. The Lutheran Church has the basic outline of the Mass minus mentioning the Pope and the intercession of the Virgin Mary and the Saints. Some Lutheran Churches still refer to their church service as the Mass.
 
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