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spockrates
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Aw, shucks! It’s bed time already? Gotta go, gal, but let’s do this again real soon. OK?
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James_S_Saint
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I think that would be the Logic of Love.
Love, unlike what has been so long advertised, is not separate from logic, but they are actually the same thing.
In our minds, we can begin with a logic format that seem to be loveless. It is dry and calculating. It is Ahdam without Eve.
But if that logic is pure and followed it will lead to the revelation that to Love is actually what Logic is also. They are both what supports what is. We associate Love with the dedicated desire to support (which is its definition), but Logic, in the physical universe, is actually that same thing. It is what supports all that is. It is the very foundation of all that is. It is the “log”, the “firm” and the “immutable” support of existence. It is the very cause of the laws of physics.
Love is actually applied Logic. That is what Jesus and Moses were doing. Jesus a bit better than Moses.
So as far as a virtue to learn, learn the logic of love. HOW to love is the only problem Christianity has had. It involves communication, understanding, and influence. It is wisdom.
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Ghosty
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St. Paul answers this question in 1 Corinthians 13. Go ahead and read the whole chapter; he gives the “what”, the “how”, and the “why”.
Peace and God bless!
Peace and God bless!
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James_S_Saint
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My personal opinion is that he falls short on the “how” in that chapter, but who am I.St. Paul answers this question in 1 Corinthians 13. Go ahead and read the whole chapter; he gives the “what”, the “how”, and the “why”.
Peace and God bless!
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Viki63
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Could I put your question this way: what about God is most attractive to you?And why do you suppose the virtue you choose the greatest of them all?
I have been thinking about this lately because I’ve been trying to love Him more, but when I think of Him it’s of Michaelangelo’s painting of the Creation. Which is impressive but probably not at all close to the reality of God.
What appeals most to me is His love, and secondly His courage.
Because He saw all this from its beginning, the fall of Adam, the suffering of humanity, His own descent to rescue us and our rejection of Him, His suffering in our place, and our continuing to fail Him.
I think C,S, Lewis says somewhere that fortitude is the greatest or most essential virtue, since without it you can’t have the others.
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Julian0404
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Spockrates, I believe you are on the correct path, but you are pursuing God as if He were a “someone to love”, which He is not. He is the very source of Love. Your intellect is leading you to focus on God as if He were human, with human characteristics. This is a path which all new believers begin.Or do you think it is possible to love someone and yet not try to know the one one claims to love?
We will never “know” God. His way are so much higher than ours. We will never “understand” God for the this same purpose. We can only hope and love and walk with faith, based upon our very limited intellects, but over the years, by our growing love from faith.
As a new believer who wishes to enhance his personal relationship with God, by purusing thoughts of other believers, then may I suggest this question: In a sentence or two, please tell me why you love God
To which I would reply: I love God because of His mercy and forgiveness, through which I can continually cleanse myself from my faults and return to His loving embrace.
I wish you truth in your walk toward God.
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jdobbins
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According to paragraph 301 of the Diary of St. Faustina, Divine Mercy in My Soul, Jesus said the greatest attribute of God is His Mercy.
With regard to virtue, God is infinite and is the embodiment of all virtue infinitely. He exemplifies all virtues infinitely. He is Love itself, and Love is the one virtue that, in the end, survives all others. St. Paul tells us that without love, we have nothing.
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spockrates
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Fascinating! I’ve never thought it possible that logic and love are two sides of the same coin! Given that love is logic, would you, James, define love as a habit perfecting the intellect to elicit with readiness acts that are good in reference to their proper object, namely, truth?
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spockrates
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Ghosty: Are you an intelligent, or a residual, haunting?St. Paul answers this question in 1 Corinthians 13. Go ahead and read the whole chapter; he gives the “what”, the “how”, and the “why”.
Peace and God bless!
Yes, I’m familiar with the Love Passage. Would you say that Saint Paul gives an accurate and adequate definition of love, here?
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.
(1 Corinthians 13:4-8)
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I think it’s the best primer on Love, but it’s certainly not exhaustive. The whole Gospel is an account of Love, after all.Ghosty: Are you an intelligent, or a residual, haunting?
Yes, I’m familiar with the Love Passage. Would you say that Saint Paul gives an accurate and adequate definition of love, here?
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.
(1 Corinthians 13:4-8)
It is by Love that God dwells within us, and it is by Love that we participate in Divinity, so Love is definitely the greatest virtue. All other virtues flow out of Love, after all.
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spockrates
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I’d say you are an intelligent haunting, indeed!I think it’s the best primer on Love, but it’s certainly not exhaustive. The whole Gospel is an account of Love, after all.
It is by Love that God dwells within us, and it is by Love that we participate in Divinity, so Love is definitely the greatest virtue. All other virtues flow out of Love, after all.
Peace and God bless!
But let me ask you this: Would you say that there is one virtue that we call love?
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spockrates
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Julian:
Why did you choose 404 as part of your user name? Are you like a Web page not found?
Why did you choose 404 as part of your user name? Are you like a Web page not found?
Not sure I understand. Are you saying the Jesus Christ is not a someone, but merely a something? Or are you saying that the Son of God is not a person? Or are you saying something else?
Still having trouble understanding you (forgive me)! Are you saying there is nothing at all that I can understand about God? Or are you saying some things I can comprehend, but many other things I can only apprehend?
I suppose my answer would depend on what love is. What is love, Julian?
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James_S_Saint
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Love is “dedicated support”.
Very technically, nothing can exist at all without the support of what surrounds it, nothing at all.
We call love in people an “emotion” because it is an “emoter”, a mover. It emotes. But more specifically, it emotes the person to support something/someone whereas hate emotes them to destroy something.
The idea to attack something is a simpler idea than the idea to support something. Thus the more primitive emoter between love and hate is hate, because it takes less intelligence to conceive as well as to enact. Hate is derived simply from the concept of “bad - push away, very hard”.
Love is spawned from the recognition of good. Inborn needs derive good and bad. When something is seen as good (in support of a need), it is desired. But that desire is merely to want (“pull”). It is not love - yet.
From the desire to have, intelligence can derive the need to support what is desired (discover what causes the desired object to exist and ensure it). At that point, love is conceived.
That is why you so often find love, good, and want intertwined.
Very technically, nothing can exist at all without the support of what surrounds it, nothing at all.
We call love in people an “emotion” because it is an “emoter”, a mover. It emotes. But more specifically, it emotes the person to support something/someone whereas hate emotes them to destroy something.
The idea to attack something is a simpler idea than the idea to support something. Thus the more primitive emoter between love and hate is hate, because it takes less intelligence to conceive as well as to enact. Hate is derived simply from the concept of “bad - push away, very hard”.
Love is spawned from the recognition of good. Inborn needs derive good and bad. When something is seen as good (in support of a need), it is desired. But that desire is merely to want (“pull”). It is not love - yet.
From the desire to have, intelligence can derive the need to support what is desired (discover what causes the desired object to exist and ensure it). At that point, love is conceived.
That is why you so often find love, good, and want intertwined.
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spockrates
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Yes, I believe I understand, James. Would you say that all human thoughts, words and deeds are examples and expressions of the emoter of love or the emoter of hate? Or is there, perhaps, a third emoter that is neither?
For example, if someone asks what my emoter is for my wife, I might answer “Love.” If someone asks what my emoter is for brussels sprouts, I might answer “Hate.” But if someone asks what my emoter is for the latest news story about Tiger Woods’ sorted affairs, I would most equivocally answer, “Neither.”
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Monica4316
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Jesus told St Faustina that His greatest attribute is MercyAnd why do you suppose the virtue you choose the greatest of them all?
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spockrates
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Thank you, Monica! Burning the after midnight oil, too. Are you?Jesus told St Faustina that His greatest attribute is Mercy
Would you say that mercy is a kind of love?
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Monica4316
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In my opinion…
Love is the greatest virtue that we should pursue
everything else is based on that (all the rules, moral theology, the Law, etc.)
Love is the greatest virtue that we should pursue
everything else is based on that (all the rules, moral theology, the Law, etc.)
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spockrates
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Would you say that when it comes to love, some are better at it than others? A saint (such as St. Faustina, for example) would most definitely surpass my ability to love.
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Monica4316
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yup…I think so
also I thought of this verse:
“blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy”
In fact…if we just live out the beatitudes, that will greatly help us live out God’s will for our lives
"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they who mourn,
for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek,
for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they shall be satisfied.
Blessed are the merciful,
for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure of heart,
for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they shall be called children of God.
Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."
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