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Justice should be without prejudice or subordinate to a political definition. As a pro life Catholic I have had a difficult time, wondering why corporations are protected from being condemned or judged publicly. The damage they inflict on the common good, especially on youth, is appalling. Corporations like the Tobacco industry target youth and have been known to be financial producers of mainstream television and film. Many reckless pregnancies are due to youth being taught by media that casual sex is a part of life. Big Tobacco industries are in fact industrializing addiction and disease with full permission from governments, void of condemnation or accountability by the religious leaders in our society. The only way these corporations can survive is to target youth… Youth caught up in addiction will likely have a promiscuous lifestyle… It is mainstream media that is promoting a death culture. Not one religious leader has ever spoken publicly regarding a corporations sinister agenda to exploit the weak in our society, the weak being mostly children, and this make me feel that the pro life movement is under political scrutiny. I strongly feel that you cannot advocate a cause of justice in our society without addressing the whole truth… The Bible firmly advocates protection of the innocent of the unborn and also the newborn, of all society. It is corporate manipulation of religion that has made this a politically correct issue instead of a Truth issue.

The complacency I describe above has hurt my faith greatly. So, I would welcome some comments.
 
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Not one religious leader has ever spoken publicly regarding a corporations sinister agenda to exploit the weak in our society, the weak being mostly children,
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Google Katherine Jefferts Schori. Not a leader, but she is in charge of the Episcopal Church. Pretty much all she does is complain about corporations and governments not taking care of the poor.
 
djmason said:
Justice should be without prejudice or subordinate to a political definition. As a pro life Catholic I have had a difficult time, wondering why corporations are protected from being condemned or judged publicly. The damage they inflict on the common good, especially on youth, is appalling. Corporations like the Tobacco industry target youth and have been known to be financial producers of mainstream television and film. Many reckless pregnancies are due to youth being taught by media that casual sex is a part of life. Big Tobacco industries are in fact industrializing addiction and disease with full permission from governments, void of condemnation or accountability by the religious leaders in our society. The only way these corporations can survive is to target youth… Youth caught up in addiction will likely have a promiscuous lifestyle… It is mainstream media that is promoting a death culture. Not one religious leader has ever spoken publicly regarding a corporations sinister agenda to exploit the weak in our society, the weak being mostly children, and this make me feel that the pro life movement is under political scrutiny. I strongly feel that you cannot advocate a cause of justice in our society without addressing the whole truth… The Bible firmly advocates protection of the innocent of the unborn and also the newborn, of all society. It is corporate manipulation of religion that has made this a politically correct issue instead of a Truth issue.

The complacency I describe above has hurt my faith greatly. So, I would welcome some comments.
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Don’t let this make you waiver. The biggest problem this Nation has now is the fact that Money has become our God and big business is running the show. Every single thing we do as individuals counts. Everything we fail to do that needs done hurts.

I firmly believe we are approaching a time when massive amounts of PEACEFUL Civil Disobedience is in order. We can all slow the tide of complacency, secularism, politics and other indifference by changing how we shop, what we buy, what we do for entertainment, going to Mass and how we teach our children. Too much has been allowed to slide over the last 40 years in this country and now we are in trouble.

The only One we should trust fully is God.
 
I understand what you are saying and I agree that media and advertising tend to imprint disordered values on our youth. This is a serious problem.

The tobacco industry has occasionally been held accountable in lawsuits, and their advertising is somewhat restricted, at least in the US. You are right that the church has not come out against smoking, and you can certainly find good Catholics who at least defend smokers and their right to smoke, though the same people might not care to defend the tobacco industry’s youth marketing strategies.

I wouldn’t place all the blame on corporations and media. It’s not exactly “us versus them.” It’s a societal problem. People are buying the advertised goods. People are watching the films and TV shows. You can’t entirely blame the corporations for responding to the market. That’s what corporations do.

I am most concerned about your closing remark, that the present situation had hurt your faith greatly. How is that? Do you mean your faith in God has been weakened? Or perhaps do you mean that you are disappointed in the church’s response? Those are two completely different propositions. Please elaborate.

Cricket2 has the right idea. Truly the world is in terrible shape, in many ways. It always has been. Things were bad a long time ago, but in different ways. In every age, we are called to be the light of the world, a light shining in the darkness. There is hope, because you and I and many others are working on the side of good. Start with your family, friends, and community. Look for ways to increase your efforts and make them more effective. There is hope also because God loves us, he provides what we need, he desires that we all be saved, and he has a plan. I don’t know what the plan is, but I’m doing my small part. You too, do your part, have hope rooted in faith, and don’t give up.
 
djmason said:
Justice should be without prejudice or subordinate to a political definition. As a pro life Catholic I have had a difficult time, wondering why corporations are protected from being condemned or judged publicly. The damage they inflict on the common good, especially on youth, is appalling. Corporations like the Tobacco industry target youth and have been known to be financial producers of mainstream television and film. Many reckless pregnancies are due to youth being taught by media that casual sex is a part of life. Big Tobacco industries are in fact industrializing addiction and disease with full permission from governments, void of condemnation or accountability by the religious leaders in our society. The only way these corporations can survive is to target youth… Youth caught up in addiction will likely have a promiscuous lifestyle… It is mainstream media that is promoting a death culture. Not one religious leader has ever spoken publicly regarding a corporations sinister agenda to exploit the weak in our society, the weak being mostly children, and this make me feel that the pro life movement is under political scrutiny. I strongly feel that you cannot advocate a cause of justice in our society without addressing the whole truth… The Bible firmly advocates protection of the innocent of the unborn and also the newborn, of all society. It is corporate manipulation of religion that has made this a politically correct issue instead of a Truth issue.

The complacency I describe above has hurt my faith greatly. So, I would welcome some comments.
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Forget your worries. Pray and trust
 
Why do you only focus on tobacco companies? What about those who produce alcohol, foods with trans fats, addictive medicines, or even car companies that produce cars with overly powerful engines?

Do you really want to live in a nanny state?
 
I don’t think that corporations are protected from being condemned or judged publicly. They are judged, condemned, criticized or praised quite often. The particular type of business structure has no particular bearing on whether a business acts for good or for evil. The mere fact of a business incorporating itself doesn’t make it evil, any more than a corporation once again going private makes it good.

Does a home based business become bad when it grows large enough to jump from sole proprietorship or partnership to incorporation?
 
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Why do you only focus on tobacco companies? What about those who produce alcohol, foods with trans fats, addictive medicines, or even car companies that produce cars with overly powerful engines?

Do you really want to live in a nanny state?
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So the definition of a “nanny state” is a government which protects its citizens from corporations which undertake to addict their customers to their products, add in harmful chemicals to their natural product for this end and undertake massive ad campaigns and measures aimed at a segment of the populace which it is not only illegal to sell their product to, but will have a greater impact on their health? Man I’m a smoker and I have absolutely no issue with our government being a “nanny state” if it means Big Tobacco has to stop acting like illegal drug cartels.
 
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Man I’m a smoker and I have absolutely no issue with our government being a “nanny state” if it means Big Tobacco has to stop acting like illegal drug cartels.
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So Right. I had an Aunt that I only heard stories of. She only ever smoked, when she was drinkin. My God, if only I could have that kind of self control… maybe I wouldn’t have asthma.

Everything in moderation. That is something I learned from my Uncle, rigid, straight and narrow, Catholic, that he was, God rest his soul <3 =)
 
I, like most, have had experiences, have studied scripture and as a Catholic tried to come to an understanding of my obligations as someone who believes. I do my part in my micro world. But I do feel that those who lead the church seem to communicate that the world is not of their concern and the church would be better off to stay out of social issues except those issues that affect the moral life of the individual. We are reminded at every Mass that all power and all glory belongs to God and that we are his advocates to do His will. We are told that we are the salt of the earth. We are actually taught that the power inside of us is greater than the power in the world. Is this the truth?My disappointment comes from wanting to be a part of something real.
It is largely conveyed by the Church authority that, as a Catholic, my allotted reserve of righteous indignation should be directed to these issues: Contraception, Abortion, and Same Sex Marriage and of course Obama Care. This is the total catalog of issues that I can work with for a better world. Every other sinister motive against the human race if off the hook accordingly
One reply wrote Trans Fats, Alcohol and Vehicles with large engines. I mentioned smoking industry: Death toll for 2012 = 392,683 this is equivalent to the population to New Orleans. And most of these people were paying 4 to $ 500 a month to keep their addiction going. Could this sequestering of disposable income impact a failing economy? Of course it would. How much was the medical cost to look after all those who were dying? Could being addicted to smoking lead to drug addiction and alcoholism? Absolutely; I have rarely met a hard core addict who didn’t’ have a smoking addiction. Cancer industry: Could this be related? A serious question that impacts everybody: Could this industry impact the cost of your healthcare insurance? You can be sure it does. Industries are targeting children who: Grow up, have sex, start smoking, start drinking, and then it’s off to an abortion clinic just like they were compelled into doing.
Its not just about the church state argument. It’s about your money and a certain industries appropriation to it.
This thread is addressing social justice and I think this issue could use some justice. There are 70 + million Catholics in the USA and Canada. I did the math and something is weird. My feeling is that if those who lead us would be more vocal about these problems, our congregations would grow in spiritual strength and in numbers.
Your opinions are welcomed
God Bless
 
djmason said:
I, like most, have had experiences, have studied scripture and as a Catholic tried to come to an understanding of my obligations as someone who believes. I do my part in my micro world. But I do feel that those who lead the church seem to communicate that the world is not of their concern and the church would be better off to stay out of social issues except those issues that affect the moral life of the individual. We are reminded at every Mass that all power and all glory belongs to God and that we are his advocates to do His will. We are told that we are the salt of the earth. We are actually taught that the power inside of us is greater than the power in the world. Is this the truth?My disappointment comes from wanting to be a part of something real.
It is largely conveyed by the Church authority that, as a Catholic, my allotted reserve of righteous indignation should be directed to these issues: Contraception, Abortion, and Same Sex Marriage and of course Obama Care. This is the total catalog of issues that I can work with for a better world. Every other sinister motive against the human race if off the hook accordingly
One reply wrote Trans Fats, Alcohol and Vehicles with large engines. I mentioned smoking industry: Death toll for 2012 = 392,683 this is equivalent to the population to New Orleans. And most of these people were paying 4 to $ 500 a month to keep their addiction going. Could this sequestering of disposable income impact a failing economy? Of course it would. How much was the medical cost to look after all those who were dying? Could being addicted to smoking lead to drug addiction and alcoholism? Absolutely; I have rarely met a hard core addict who didn’t’ have a smoking addiction. Cancer industry: Could this be related? A serious question that impacts everybody: Could this industry impact the cost of your healthcare insurance? You can be sure it does. Industries are targeting children who: Grow up, have sex, start smoking, start drinking, and then it’s off to an abortion clinic just like they were compelled into doing.
Its not just about the church state argument. It’s about your money and a certain industries appropriation to it.
This thread is addressing social justice and I think this issue could use some justice. There are 70 + million Catholics in the USA and Canada. I did the math and something is weird. My feeling is that if those who lead us would be more vocal about these problems, our congregations would grow in spiritual strength and in numbers.
Your opinions are welcomed
God Bless
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There are a lot of moral issues, as you’ve pointed out, that I would love to see addressed by the USCCB, such as creating efforts to reduce preventable patient death rates in hospitals, such as what Bill Clinton talked about today in an open forum in California.

First thing we’re going to need to do is put aside the politics and start getting creative. There are an abundance of moral issues that deserve the attention. The voters boot his just too easy of a way out IMO.
 
To add to my previous post -to rely on the selections that politicians offer us displays a lack of real leadership, and I feel like that’s what’s happening right now. I mean this in the most humblest, yet most genuine way.

I’ll pray for Pope Francis. God will continue to guide him, I know it. 🙂
 
I, like most, have had experiences, have studied scripture and as a Catholic tried to come to an understanding of my obligations as someone who believes. I do my part in my micro world. But I do feel that those who lead the church seem to communicate that the world is not of their concern and the church would be better off to stay out of social issues except those issues that affect the moral life of the individual. We are reminded at every Mass that all power and all glory belongs to God and that we are his advocates to do His will. We are told that we are the salt of the earth. We are actually taught that the power inside of us is greater than the power in the world. Is this the truth? ** My disappointment comes from wanting to be a part of something real.**
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But you are part of something real. The cold hard truth, is that not any one of us is enough. All of the popes over the entirety of history, and all the bishops and priests and saints combined are not enough. That’s why the Holy Spirit was sent on Pentecost. Jesus already knew the Church would not be “enough” in its human capacity. But because we have the Holy Spirit – no matter how badly the Church screws it up – the Church is still getting up off the ground and marching toward Calvary. The Holy Spirit is our “Simon the Cyrene”, helping us carry the cross and sustain the insults and blows.

Don’t lose hope and don’t subject your faith to the scoreboard of human failing. We’re guaranteed to fail by our own hands, but therein lies the mercy of God: The outcome is already known, so take heart. If Church leadership is falling short – and they do – don’t obsess over what they **could ** be doing in the public square. You have a gift that’s more powerful than any social movement – and that’s prayer, fasting, and almsgiving. Make it your gift of faith to pray and accept that failure is a condition of the fall, but it has nothing to do with your faith, which, by definition, transcends all our visible failures.

Blessed are those who mourn…
Blessed are those who thirst for righteousness…
 
I do believe in justice and I do believe in truth… Our faith declares that we are at war demonstrated by how much oppression we are suffering from.I feel as if the church is so oppressed that it is lacking power. Instead of clergy being compliant, maybe if they spoke out regarding important issues ,then just maybe many believers would be delivered from their tribulations. It is the contradictions that hurts faith. 70 million Catholics do have power but they have all been trained not to speak out unless it’s Contraception, abortion, same sex marriage and to vote republican. Meanwhile the degradation of millions proliferate, filling the world with metaphysical negative energy and thereby strengthening the devils agenda to control. The reason why we have Judas profiled as a trader in the first apostolic college, is to show a geometric example of how many traitors their could be in the present tense. 1 out of 12 Could the molestations be a part of this model? We have all been trained to think that things will never change, not to respond and that we are not entitled to an opinion. Just say your Hail Mary’s and be subordinate? Our Lord was not subordinate. He demanded fidelity to the first two commandments. To protect those who are week in our society is a commandment… Targeting children for a future of addiction and degradation is abhorrent to our Lord (I feel it in my spirit ) but apparently not to our leaders. Maybe it’s time that the 70 million believers started writing letters to ask why? Don’t get me wrong I love the church but I also love God. And I do want my family to be healthy and safe.

God bless your opinion are welcomed (This is about social justice)
 
djmason said:
I do believe in justice and I do believe in truth… Our faith declares that we are at war demonstrated by how much oppression we are suffering from.I feel as if the church is so oppressed that it is lacking power. Instead of clergy being compliant, maybe if they spoke out regarding important issues ,then just maybe many believers would be delivered from their tribulations. It is the contradictions that hurts faith. 70 million Catholics do have power but they have all been trained not to speak out unless it’s Contraception, abortion, same sex marriage and to vote republican. Meanwhile the degradation of millions proliferate, filling the world with metaphysical negative energy and thereby strengthening the devils agenda to control. The reason why we have Judas profiled as a trader in the first apostolic college, is to show a geometric example of how many traitors their could be in the present tense. 1 out of 12 Could the molestations be a part of this model? We have all been trained to think that things will never change, not to respond and that we are not entitled to an opinion. Just say your Hail Mary’s and be subordinate? Our Lord was not subordinate. He demanded fidelity to the first two commandments. To protect those who are week in our society is a commandment… Targeting children for a future of addiction and degradation is abhorrent to our Lord (I feel it in my spirit ) but apparently not to our leaders. Maybe it’s time that the 70 million believers started writing letters to ask why? Don’t get me wrong I love the church but I also love God. And I do want my family to be healthy and safe.

God bless your opinion are welcomed (This is about social justice)
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I think you’re issue is actually with the media and the topics that they choose to focus on. The media actually has a huge effect on non-Catholics opinions of the Church but surprisingly has the same effect on millions of Catholics too! Then they come here to CAF and start threads on what the media has taught them about ‘Catholicism’. How many threads on homosexuality do we really need to have here? 🤷

You should visit the USCCB’s website and explain to them that they should focus more on other moral social issues that are not so popular with the main stream media in irder to counter the magnifying glass that the media holds on Their own favorites. 👍
 
If your apostolic order stays quiet on these issues, then the believers are left with the right-wing media spin.

I am convinced that these issues Same Sex, Contraception and abortion have one agenda and that is to polarise voting demographics… Here’s the proof. NWTN has never once mentioned that many private healthcare Insurance companies provides abortion services. Also there is no religious indignation toward any issues that would have impact on everyone regardless of faith when it comes to the common good.
These issues are used to create a type of hamster cage religiosity… Once the believer is in this cage he’s a threat to no one… He or she is stuck going nowhere.
 
I have always believed alot of churches are too concerned with mans laws in todays world, It seems to me if they were truly teaching the truth, they would constantly be at odds with the particular cities and towns they are located in, as well as the US Govt, but this is not the case and in many cities, churches are well respected, even by city leaders, who may not even be religious…this seems strange to me. As going back thru history, govt leaders and religious institutions have always been at odds and seemed to always be arguing and fighting about issues, but that is not the case in modern times…I think this in itself is curious and suspicious.
 
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