What's the best 1962 Missal?

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I hope I am making sense here; There are 4 Offertory prayers said by the priest during Mass; what I am referring to is the "Reconcilliation Offetory prayer used during perhaps Lent or at Advent; this depends on the weekly readings and whom the Mass is said for; The offetory prayer is not found in the missals at the church pews; it is found in the Lectory used at Mass used by the priest; my question is do both the Angelius and Bariious Press missals contain this offetory prayer? A priest would know; I am asking just in case someone knew
BTW; Interesting comparison on the Two missals; whichever they ae about 50/50;the Barious Press seems to have an endorsement by the Catholic Church in the form of an Imprimator; but either one would be fine!
Lastly Barious Press up to 2066; Angelius Press 2050
Thank you in advance!
Robert
Are you sure the Reconcilliation Offetory prayer isn’t just in the New (OF) Mass? I have never heard of such a thing in the EF or Traditional Latin Mass. The priest only uses the Missal. Even the Scripture readings are in it. Here are links to Offertory Prayers in the EF that are not changed or added to as far as I know:
angelqueen.org/mass/p_07_offertory.shtml
angelqueen.org/mass/p_08_lavabo_orate_preface_sanctus.shtml
In any event, in the EF, most of these prayers are said in a quiet voice by the priest. I doubt many in the congregation even hear him say them.
Iwould like to learn more about what these Reconciliation Offertory prayers are.
 
Many thanks!
From what I understand, what I am referring to is in the Lectory used during Mass; there are 4 Offertory prayers and a fifth(reconcilliation prayer) a priest would be able to verify; unless I am mistaken on this. The missals at the church pews have the First, second, third and forth; the missals do not contain the reconcilliation prayer(offertory); It starts with "Father, from the beginning of time; it has AFTER the priest changes the bread and wine to the body and blod of Christ the words “we do this in memory of Jesus Christ” This is just a sample; one or both of the missals should contain this prayer; again, I point out that the missals at the church pews do not have this prayer.
Hope I am making sense, as this cannot be found; at least, from what I have been able to find.
Thank you all in advance!
Robert
 
Many thanks!
From what I understand, what I am referring to is in the Lectory used during Mass; there are 4 Offertory prayers and a fifth(reconcilliation prayer) a priest would be able to verify; unless I am mistaken on this. The missals at the church pews have the First, second, third and forth; the missals do not contain the reconcilliation prayer(offertory); It starts with "Father, from the beginning of time; it has AFTER the priest changes the bread and wine to the body and blod of Christ the words “we do this in memory of Jesus Christ” This is just a sample; one or both of the missals should contain this prayer; again, I point out that the missals at the church pews do not have this prayer.
Hope I am making sense, as this cannot be found; at least, from what I have been able to find.
Thank you all in advance!
Robert
That is just in the OF, not the EF. Sounds like part of it is one of the new Eucharistic Prayers in the post Vatican II OF. There is only one Eucharistic Prayer(the Canon) in the 1962 Missals we are discussing in this thread, since the 1962 Missal is the EF. http://angelqueen.org/mass/p_09_canon_hanc_igitur.shtml
Eucharistic Prayer 1 in the OF is the Canon of the EF with any changes Pope Paul VI decided to make in it.
 
Does anybody know a link with the cheapest Baronius missals?

Money is a bit of an issue at the moment… and my goodness these things are expensive! Worth it, but expensive!:eek:
 
Look’s like I screwed up a bit; what I was refering to are the Eucharistic prayers; one-two-three and four are in the Lectory and some missals; the reconcilliation prayer is in two parts, which I found; space will not permit me to copy and paste, but I have it; now if someone knows if either of the discussed missals has them, I would be most appeciative!
Eucharistic Prayer of Reconciliation I

Father,
from the beginning of time
you have always done what is good for man
so that we may be holy as you are holy.

Look with kindness on your people
gathered here before you:
send forth the power of your Spirit
so that these gifts may become for us
the body and blood of your beloved Son, Jesus the Christ,
in whom we have become your sons and daughters.

When we were lost
and could not find the way to you,
you loved us more than ever:
Jesus, your Son, innocent and without sin,
gave himself into our hands
and was nailed to a cross.
Yet before he stretched out his arms
between heaven and earth
in the everlasting sign of your covenant,
he desired to celebrate the Paschal feast
in the company of his disciples.

While they were at supper,
he took bread and gave you thanks and praise.
He broke the bread, gave it to his disciples, and said:

Take this, all of you, and eat it:
this is my body which will be given up for you.
At the end of the meal,
knowing that he was to reconcile all things in himself
by the blood of his cross,
he took the cup, filled with wine.
Again he gave you thanks, handed the cup to his friends, and said:

Take this, all of you, and drink from it:
this is the cup of my blood,
the blood of the new and everlasting covenant.
It will be shed for you and for all
so that sins may be forgiven.
Do this in memory of me.

We do this in memory of Jesus Christ,
our Passover and our lasting peace.
We celebrate his death and resurrection
and look for the coming of that day
when he will return to give us the fullness of joy.
Therefore we offer you, God ever faithful and true,
the sacrifice which restores man to your friendship.

Father,
look with love
on those you have called
to share in the one sacrifice of Christ.
By the power of your Holy Spirit
make them one body,
healed of all division.

Keep us all
in communion of mind and heart
with N., our Pope, and N., our bishop.
Help us to work together
for the coming of your kingdom,
until at last we stand in your presence
to share the life of the saints,
in the company of the Virgin Mary and the apostles,
and of our departed brothers and sisters
whom we commend to your mercy.

Then, freed from every shadow of death,
we shall take our place in the new creation
and give you thanks
with Christ, our risen Lord.

.

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Eucharistic Prayer of Reconciliation II

Father, all-powerful and ever-living God,
we praise and thank you
through Jesus Christ our Lord
for your presence and action in the world.

In the midst of conflict and division,
we know it is you
who turn our minds to thoughts of peace.
Your Spirit changes our hearts:
enemies begin to speak to one another,
those who were estranged join hands in friendship,
and nations seek the way to peace together.
Your Spirit is at work
when understanding puts an end to strife,
when hatred is quenched by mercy,
and vengeance gives way to forgiveness.

For this we should never cease
to thank and praise you.
We join with all the choirs of heaven
as they sing forever to your glory:

God our Father,
we had wandered far from you,
but through your Son you have brought us back.
You gave him up to death
so that we might turn again to you
and find our way to one another.

Therefore we celebrate the reconciliation
Christ has gained for us.
We ask you to sanctify these gifts by the power of your Spirit,
as we now fulfill your Son’s command.

While he was at supper
on the night before he died for us,
he took bread in his hands,
and gave you thanks and praise.
He broke the bread,
gave it to his disciples, and said:

Take this, all of you, and eat it:
this is my body which will be given up for you.
At the end of the meal he took the cup.
Again he praised you for your goodness,
gave the cup to his disciples, and said:

Take this, all of you, and drink from it:
this is the cup of my blood,
the blood of the new and everlasting covenant.
It will be shed for you and for all
so that sins may be forgiven.
Do this in memory of me.
Let us proclaim the mystery of faith:

Lord our God,
your Son has entrusted to us
this pledge of his love.
We celebrate the memory of his death and resurrection
and bring you the gift you have given us,
the sacrifice of reconciliation.
Therefore, we ask you, Father,
to accept us, together with your Son.

Fill us with his Spirit
through our sharing in this meal.
May he take away all that divides us.

May this Spirit keep us always in communion
with N., our pope, N., our bishop,
with all the bishops and all your people.
Father, make your Church throughout the world
a sign of unity and an instrument of your peace.

You have gathered us here
around the table of your Son,
in fellowship with the Virgin Mary,
Mother of God, and all the saints.

In that new world
where the fullness of your peace will be revealed,
gather people of every race, language, and way of life
to share in the one eternal banquet
with Jesus Christ the Lord.
 
Look’s like I screwed up a bit; what I was refering to are the Eucharistic prayers; one-two-three and four are in the Lectory and some missals; the reconcilliation prayer is in two parts, which I found; space will not permit me to copy and paste, but I have it; now if someone knows if either of the discussed missals has them, I would be most appeciative!
Eucharistic Prayer of Reconciliation I

Father,
from the beginning of time
you have always done what is good for man
so that we may be holy as you are holy.

Look with kindness on your people
gathered here before you:
send forth the power of your Spirit
so that these gifts may become for us
the body and blood of your beloved Son, Jesus the Christ,
in whom we have become your sons and daughters.

When we were lost
and could not find the way to you,
you loved us more than ever:
Jesus, your Son, innocent and without sin,
gave himself into our hands
and was nailed to a cross.
Yet before he stretched out his arms
between heaven and earth
in the everlasting sign of your covenant,
he desired to celebrate the Paschal feast
in the company of his disciples.

While they were at supper,
he took bread and gave you thanks and praise.
He broke the bread, gave it to his disciples, and said:

Take this, all of you, and eat it:
this is my body which will be given up for you.
At the end of the meal,
knowing that he was to reconcile all things in himself
by the blood of his cross,
he took the cup, filled with wine.
Again he gave you thanks, handed the cup to his friends, and said:

Take this, all of you, and drink from it:
this is the cup of my blood,
the blood of the new and everlasting covenant.
It will be shed for you and for all
so that sins may be forgiven.
Do this in memory of me.

We do this in memory of Jesus Christ,
our Passover and our lasting peace.
We celebrate his death and resurrection
and look for the coming of that day
when he will return to give us the fullness of joy.
Therefore we offer you, God ever faithful and true,
the sacrifice which restores man to your friendship.

Father,
look with love
on those you have called
to share in the one sacrifice of Christ.
By the power of your Holy Spirit
make them one body,
healed of all division.

Keep us all
in communion of mind and heart
with N., our Pope, and N., our bishop.
Help us to work together
for the coming of your kingdom,
until at last we stand in your presence
to share the life of the saints,
in the company of the Virgin Mary and the apostles,
and of our departed brothers and sisters
whom we commend to your mercy.

Then, freed from every shadow of death,
we shall take our place in the new creation
and give you thanks
with Christ, our risen Lord.

.

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Eucharistic Prayer of Reconciliation II

Father, all-powerful and ever-living God,
we praise and thank you
through Jesus Christ our Lord
for your presence and action in the world…
QUOTE]

Having both the Baronius and Angelus Press Missals, and now knowing exactly what you are asking about, I can confirm that neither have them because they are 1962 Missals, and the prayers you are asking about did not come out until after Vatican II. As I said, in the 1962Missal there is only one Eucharistic Prayer which it calls the Canon. Having more then one Eucharistic Prayer is a post Vatican II change.
 
Many thanks!
Needless to say, you are right; so the qustion comes, as to which one will serve as a "best companion"at Mass? Reason is IF the Eucharist prayer I copied and pasted is used, then the faithful would not be able to follow; the others are known; at mass today the second Eucharistic prayer was used; I know the fist second and third pretty much by heart; the forth not so well!

Thank you again!
Robert
 
I hope the prayers you copied are in most Missals for the OF. It would be a great help to those who attend that form of the Mass.
They would not be used in the EF. And in any event, in the EF, the Canon (Eucharistic Prayer) is said, (obviously in Latin), in a low voice. If anybody hears it, it is the altar boys, not members of the congregation.
 
I only have the Angelus Press 1962 Missal. I have learned so much about the faith from this little gem. I love that each season is given appropriate introductions. I could read those intros and explanations all day - it’s that enjoyable. And the prayers are very traditional, which I like.

(Would like to buy the Saint Andrew’s 1945 missal. Is it worth the money?)
 
Not having read all of the entries on this post, I’m sure someone has by now enlightened you that the paryers you are refering to are NOT in the 1962 missal or any missal prior to that time. Those are in the Ordinary Form of the Mass (post 1970). If you are looking for a good OF missal I would recommend the Adoremus hymnal. Having said all that, if the OF is what you truely want then wait until the changes are published next year some time. Don’t waste you money on an OF missal that will be outdated within 12 months.

God Bless
 
How, if at all, would this follow at a Mass today. The Church I go to I believe would be Novus Ordo???

So, if I picked the Angelus up would it just be nothing like the way Mass is at my church?
 
How, if at all, would this follow at a Mass today. The Church I go to I believe would be Novus Ordo???

So, if I picked the Angelus up would it just be nothing like the way Mass is at my church?
Yeah, the 1962 Missal would sort of track the propers of the Novus Ordo Mass but the calendar is different and, in the end, you would probably find it to be more of a confusion than a help at Mass. That said, it can make a wonderful devotional tool on it’s own, even if you don’t attend the TLM. There are newer Missals intended for use with the Novus Ordo but I am not familiar with them so perhaps someone else can help you on that count.

Anyways, I have the 1962 Baronius Press Missal that was a lovely Christmas gift from two of my law school classmates (they knew I needed it more than I appreciated at the time ;)) That said, I found that as between the Angelus and the Baronius, the Angelus is easier to understand for a newcomer to the TLM. The Angelus has the textual explanations of what is going on while the Baronius is mostly plain text. So if you’re new to the TLM and using the Baronius, things might be confusing for a while until you know where to find the different sections.

That said, the Baronius has some useful features like specific prayers for certain Dioceses (Wales and Scotland, for example). I’m not sure if the Angelus has that.

Hope this helps!
 
Not sure if anybody’s said this yet…

Saint Joseph’s :extrahappy: I found one in my parish library back in a dusty corner, and it’s a print from the 50s I believe. It’s absolutely wonderful, I am learning soo much! (I am hoping to offer my parish priest a few books in exchange if I can have it. Sort of a funny story, I was looking for any Latin missal and before I found the St. Joseph’s, I found an old priest’s missal that was used to say the Latin Mass wayyy back in the old days:p. I thought for a moment I’d have to take that monster book with me to my first TLM! Now that would have been awkward - the book was the size of my computer :o)
 
Thinking about getting the Angelus Missal. But my only hesitation is that the Mass I attend is not a Traditional Mass. But, I do only go on Sundays and this could be a good devotional tool. I got a 6 month subscription to Magnificat. It is a good little booklet but it doesnt seem like it is complete for some reason…
 
I have to agree with some of the others on this issue. The 1962 Missal will only serve to confuse you at Mass in the OF. If you buy one, do it for your “at home” use. But again I’d not spend too much money on an OF Missal until after they publish the “new” Mass changes. Until then I believe there is a paperback St.Joseph’s OF Missal that runs less than $10.00.

I’d bet you can find them at EWTN, Amazon or even Tan books.
 
I would like the opinions of others with more experience in the missal buying game, and what people generally use. I know the Angelus Press missal is quite popular, and one I’m leaning toward now.
There is little to choose between the Angelus Press and the Baronius Press missals. You could hardly go wrong with either one. Fr. Zuhlsdorf gave a thorough review of each of them on his blog, “What Does The Prayer Really Say.” (Baronius: wdtprs.com/blog/2008/01/review-baronius-press-1962-hand-missal/; Angelus: wdtprs.com/blog/2008/02/review-angelus-press-hand-missal/).

In a way that’s hard to describe, something of the SSPX “personality” comes through in the Angelus Press missal, and I think that’s why I went with the Baronius. If it’s any indication of … anything, note that the Baronius Press missal includes the Luminous Mysteries of the Holy Rosary, and the Angelus Press missal does not. Make of that what you will.
 
Totally not. I just don’t want to give my money to the SSPX. It isn’t the missal I take issue with, it’s giving my money to the SSPX. I currently use one published in 1958.

Dempsey1919-I’m a she. 😉
Please, would you explain your animus towards the SSPX?
 
Please, what specifically commends the Baronius and Angelus editions over the St. Andrew missal? I have read, but not corroborated, that the Latin is more ‘appreciatively’ integrated into the St. Andrew Missal.

Also, do we know if any of the proceeds from the Angelus Missal go to the SSPX? I bear no animus, but its animus toward Rome has been express, and its schismatic status was not attained without an element of Protestant pride. Holy Mother Church suffers enough internal dissent.
 
Where can I find an Angelus Press daily missal at a cheaper price.

Preston
 
I’ve put some money aside, and now I’d like to order a 1962 Missal for myself. I’ve done quite a bit of “window shopping” over the internet, and just can’t seem to figure out which is the best missal. I know that all published missals would have the Ordinary of the Mass in common and identical, but I’m into “special features,” and would like a Missal with morning and evening prayers, votive masses, Te Deums, etc., etc. I would like the opinions of others with more experience in the missal buying game, and what people generally use. I know the Angelus Press missal is quite popular, and one I’m leaning toward now.

Thanks in advance,

Mat.
best 1962 Missal without a doubt is by Baronius Press. I will not and always refuse to support Angelus Pres until the SSPX are in communion with Rome. Even though its older I still like my 1945 Fr. Lasance missal
 
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