What's the deal with CARM

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Well I’m glad to hear that many of our Christian brothers and sisters also object strongly to the CARM silliness. I’ve never quite understood the hateful minority who think the loving majority are all doomed for hell, but I don’t plan on ever actually understanding that line of thought either…
You know what gets me most of all about CARM? It’s so anti-Catholic. Sure I razz Catholics here, but for me, I’m a bit of the mentality “I can say whatever I like about my family, but don’t you dare say anything bad about them.”
 
I just spent some time over there. I don’t find it spiritually fulfilling at all. I guess people need a place to vent and it serves that purpose, but it is not a positive atmosphere.

Arguing about whose spirituality is right or wrong is anti-spirituality. And it is far from how Christ would want us to behave.
 
Well I’m glad to hear that many of our Christian brothers and sisters also object strongly to the CARM silliness. I’ve never quite understood the hateful minority who think the loving majority are all doomed for hell, but I don’t plan on ever actually understanding that line of thought either…
I’m leaving the decision of who goes where to Christ. He is the one that will make the decision anyway. What are these people going to say if and when Christ disagrees with them? It is a very serious matter when we think that we have the right and the authority to make that type of decision.
 
I’m leaving the decision of who goes where to Christ. He is the one that will make the decision anyway. What are these people going to say if and when Christ disagrees with them? It is a very serious matter when we think that we have the right and the authority to make that type of decision.
But didn’t you hear that the Holy Spirit came to each one of them individually and told them exactly what they should believe? 😉

On a more serious note, I completely agree. Paul refused to even judge his own eternal destiny (good or bad), yet some people claim to know where everyone’s going. It seems to me to be a serious case of hubris that’s the result of not having sufficient historical roots for your beliefs.
 
You know what gets me most of all about CARM? It’s so anti-Catholic. Sure I razz Catholics here, but for me, I’m a bit of the mentality “I can say whatever I like about my family, but don’t you dare say anything bad about them.”
Haha well I like how almost every member here at CAF will at least try to weigh your views and then comment on them. There are certainly places outside of the CAF walls that you might as well be arguing with a billboard that’s just going to repeat the same thing back no matter what…
 
Well, I plugged them into Google and the description I got tells me all I need to know.
CARM teaches Christian theology and deals with heresy like Roman Catholicism , Islam, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormonism, atheism, and wicca.
 
Oh, now I’m really disappointed. I went to the “Oneness Pentecostal” section to get a little fresh perspective on how to prepare for the holidays with the minister uncles. They have a nice section, “Questions to Ask”…they were weak. They were exactly what the uncles hear every day.

I’m more than disheartened that they don’t have a similar section for witnessing to Catholics. Guess we aren’t special enough to be saved. 😛
 
I tried to start a conversation on CARM forums and I got blasted by ignorant comments from Reformists, Atheists, Fundumentalists, you name it, Has anyone else tried to post on there?
No, I just usually go to the site for the comedy value;). Matt Slick’s apologetics are hilariously poor. Unlike James White, who is quite an accomplished opponent of the Catholic Church, Matt Slick’s over-dramatic approach and shallow objections make for a poor, if somewhat entertaining, body of apologetic thought.
 
An example of the kind of deep theology and apologetics you’ll find at the CARM forums:
forums.carm.org/vbb/showthread.php?78836-I-am-a-christian-ask-me-why-I-would-prefer-death-to-joining-the-Roman-Catholic-church
“Dulos” writes:
"I am a christian ask me why I would prefer death to joining the Roman Catholic church
Code:
1 They teach and practice idolatry.

2 They have changed the gospel of Jesus Christ.

3 They invented a make believe place called purgatory to make money.

4. They have given a sinful man called pope a title that belongs to God and only God i.e.Holy father.

5 They regurarly pervert scripture to worship their goddess ( NOT the Mary of scripture ).

6 They change the meaning of words to stay in their idolatry.

7 They change the context of scripture to give Mary attributes and titles that Jesus nor one Apostle gave her or EVER taught about her.

8 they follow men and NOT God.

9. They believe in magic chairs.

10 They pervert and ignore scripture to IGNORE the meaning of the Lords' supper and believe their priests control Jesus.

11 They pervert scripture and teach works along with faith and grace save.

12 They believe in fairy tales about Mary and their popes.

13 Their leadership does NOT lead by example. They have murdered christians in the name of their false God to try to control true christians.

14 Their leadership hid child molesters to protect their organizations bank accounts.

16 They lie.

17 They do NOT trust God . They trust men MORE than God.

18 They invent doctrines and dogmas contrary to scripture.

A christian would have to compromise the TRUTH to become a Roman Catholic, trust men more than God, distrust scripture,and worse of all christians would have to forsake Jesus to become a Roman catholic.

Ther is more but you get the idea."
WOW. :whistle:
 
I have found that they are just as quick to oppose you if you don’t agree with their pretrib premil eschatology. I am an Anglican and have come to respect my Catholic brethren. But I used to read that nonsense and agree with it. Must have mellowed out as I got older. I guess I also came to understand that most of the false statemenst about Catholicism are just that- false. Like was said above, if one is Anglican, then one is seen as just as bad at CARM.
 
I have found that they are just as quick to oppose you if you don’t agree with their pretrib premil eschatology. I am an Anglican and have come to respect my Catholic brethren. But I used to read that nonsense and agree with it. Must have mellowed out as I got older. I guess I also came to understand that most of the false statemenst about Catholicism are just that- false. Like was said above, if one is Anglican, then one is seen as just as bad at CARM.
I could definitely see that…Anglicans are too close to Catholicism in many respects. Plus, correct me if I’m wrong, but Anglicans also believe in apostolic succession, which as far as I can tell, CARM does not at all.
 
I could definitely see that…Anglicans are too close to Catholicism in many respects. Plus, correct me if I’m wrong, but Anglicans also believe in apostolic succession, which as far as I can tell, CARM does not at all.
Yes we believe in apostolic succession.
 
I went over and took a look. The site is well set up but a well set up site does not make it a good site. I think that if any Catholic is going to engage here, they have both a very good argument and a willingness to entertain the “incoming” that is most likely to occur. Catholics and Protestants “debate” from two different skewed planes of reference.
 
I went over and took a look. The site is well set up but a well set up site does not make it a good site. I think that if any Catholic is going to engage here, they have both a very good argument and a willingness to entertain the “incoming” that is most likely to occur. Catholics and Protestants “debate” from two different skewed planes of reference.
Fair enough, if you mean that everyone has their own particular bias. That is obvious, otherwise one would not hold to the convictions they have.
For myself, I had no bias towards the Catholic Church, but I cannot contradict history.
As for Matt Slick and CARM, I would have a lot more respect for it all if they actually had some decent arguments and theology going on. In my view though, it is kindergarten level stuff. Like I said, I check it out for the comedy if anything. If I wanted to read serious Protestant theology and apologetics, I`d read Jonathan Edwards, Calvin, Spurgeon, Barth, Luther, Zwingli, anything but CARM.
 
One thing that I realized many years ago as I was transitioning from Protestant to Catholic was an observation that has stayed with me since. When heads of Protestant churches have news conferences or issue press releases, unless the subject is causing high conflict or salacious, the story rarely makes it past the local media and/or shows up below the fold in the local paper. Jerry Falwell used to have some real zingers that made it to national press. The Episcopal Church’s ordination of a gay bishop certainly made national headlines but beyond that? But when the Pope talks, issues and encyclical etc.etc. it goes around the world into the offices of heads of state and the international press. Protestants can carp all they want but at the end of the day have to face two facts. 1) The Pope speaks for all of Christianity and 2) the existence of the Protestant movement is defended by the Catholic church. Americans particularly Protestant Americans have little understanding that in many countries, to be a Christian of any kind is going to be hazardous. When the Holy Father speaks out against persecution of all Christians, world leaders have to take note. The RCC has power, spiritual power and secular political power that it exercises. Perhaps our Protestant brethren are just a bit envious.
 
I went over and took a look. The site is well set up but a well set up site does not make it a good site. I think that if any Catholic is going to engage here, they have both a very good argument and a willingness to entertain the “incoming” that is most likely to occur. Catholics and Protestants “debate” from two different skewed planes of reference.
Having a very good argument and a thick skin won’t cut it on CARM. If you disagree with them, they will ban you sooner or later. Probably sooner if your arguments are good.
 
Just had a look at their “Roman Catholicism” section… strange… they don’t have an Eastern Catholicism section…

anyway, I looked at their “Why Are You a Catholic” thread started by Mr. Slick…

One former anti-Catholic who became a convert gave very good reasoning, even citing official church materials and even Scripture, to provide reasoning for why he was a Catholic.

The Protestants on there first made stuff up, or if they didn’t, second they provided no evidence for their accusations. Well, one fellow provided “evidence” that Catholics “pray to statues” - it was an anti-Catholic site, nuff said. They don’t seem too interested in learning answers about Catholicism, either, if one thread about Catholic Answers Live is to be an indicator.

I think I might ask them for defences of their arguments - something other than self-congratulatory sites. Perhaps, for example, links to official Church documents that (when taken in context) contradict Scripture. I would love to see them defend their biased accusations with sources. 😃

Another thing: they specifically label "CATHOLIC"s. It looks like being a Jew in Hitler’s Germany. 😦
 
What a shock. Like I said, I don’t take CARM very seriously - it’s there for the comedy value. If I was an informed Protestant, I would view it as an embarassment.
 
Haha I never have. I heard about it’s reputation and then watched a couple youtube videos by Matt Slick, so I knew in advance to not even bother. Matt just comes off like the type who isn’t interested in actually digesting what the other side has to say, but only in his rather narrow views. Check out this video of a phone “dialogue” between Slick and Dr. Sungenis, a Catholic apologist. It will show you how he got the reputation he has around here. My advice would be to just not bother with that bunch.
I just have to say that that video is great. It almost makes you feel sorry for Matt in the first half. Then, by the second half, he gets really desperate and starts contradicting himself all over the place and attempting to cover his stumblings by attacking Dr. Sungenis. I feel embarrassed for him.
 
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