What's the deal with CARM

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What a shock. Like I said, I don’t take CARM very seriously - it’s there for the comedy value. If I was an informed Protestant, I would view it as an embarassment.
I do. I am Anglican and am probably closer to Catholics on many points than I am the evangelicals. In fact the original definition of evangelical would be closer to Lutheran or Anglican than it is today. I can’t only think that the “apologists” at CARM have never read an actual writing by a Roman Catholic.
 
15thClub…

The ‘power’ you referred to in how the Holy Father gains world wide attention and respect does not come from him.

The power you are witnessing is actually coming from Christ HImself through the Holy Spirit in giving Peter the keys to heaven. One of the duties and roles of the Holy Father is that he alone is given the light of Living Revelation…He is speaking for Christ universally to all of mankind.

The Holy Father is speaking the will of Jesus Christ for all mankind in this time and moment. Contrary to the scruples some have towards the Holy Father as the Vicar of Christ that he will be a dictator or totalitarian or take the place of Christ Himself and be a man god to us. From the universal messages by the Holy Father and those who preceded him, we do not experience anything to support such fears.

The role of the Holy Father is also the work of unity and communion among all believers in Christ and in the common dignity and worth of all human beings.
 
I go to CARM and read its trash whenever I want to get worked up and attack a punching bag. :hammering:
 
I tried to start a conversation on CARM forums and I got blasted by ignorant comments from Reformists, Atheists, Fundumentalists, you name it, Has anyone else tried to post on there?
Wow! I just popped over there for the first time, and I had to run to the bathroom and look in the mirror to see if my horns were protruding!!! :eek:

Talk about ignorance, whew, that’s 2 minutes I’ll never get back.
 
Wow! I just popped over there for the first time, and I had to run to the bathroom and look in the mirror to see if my horns were protruding!!! :eek:

Talk about ignorance, whew, that’s 2 minutes I’ll never get back.
Yes, but whoever thought that heresy would be so gut-bustingly hilarious? :rolleyes:
 
Yes, but whoever thought that heresy would be so gut-bustingly hilarious? :rolleyes:
Matt slick is probably the most prideful man I have ever met. His arrogance only makes his position that much more ridiculous. Having sat down with Matt, I can tell you that he has told me that there are certain things he will concede about the Catholic Church but he has said he would never admit to it on the radio and on his site. He has claimed on his radio show that he comes to CAF and poses as other people as well as his own site.
 
Yes, but whoever thought that heresy would be so gut-bustingly hilarious? :rolleyes:
It is kinda a funny once you get past the initial shock. I was at a hospital in Indiana for awhile and I remember ministering to a an ER patient. They took him to intensive care, and I waited in the ER for the family to show up so I could take them to the patient’s room. While riding up the elevator the wife noticed I was holding a Bible. She asked if I had a KJV Bible. I said I had one, but this was not it…NAB. She looked at me and without batting an eye said, well you know you’re going to hell. Wow! It still rattles my cage a bit when I hear stuff like that. Takes all kinds I guess. 🤷
 
It is kinda a funny once you get past the initial shock. I was at a hospital in Indiana for awhile and I remember ministering to a an ER patient. They took him to intensive care, and I waited in the ER for the family to show up so I could take them to the patient’s room. While riding up the elevator the wife noticed I was holding a Bible. She asked if I had a KJV Bible. I said I had one, but this was not it…NAB. She looked at me and without batting an eye said, well you know you’re going to hell. Wow! It still rattles my cage a bit when I hear stuff like that. Takes all kinds I guess. 🤷
Wow…you never know hey?:rolleyes:
 
Matt slick is probably the most prideful man I have ever met. His arrogance only makes his position that much more ridiculous. Having sat down with Matt, I can tell you that he has told me that there are certain things he will concede about the Catholic Church but he has said he would never admit to it on the radio and on his site. He has claimed on his radio show that he comes to CAF and poses as other people as well as his own site.
It is sad that pride has come in there so much…but you know, we can all be susceptible to it. I think, in debating or apologetics or what have you, one must always strive to be charitable and humble. I fail at that all the time - the knee-jerk reaction is to want to go in there, dish out the deep theology, and kick butt…but we must always ask ourselves why we are doing it? Are we debating people like Matt Slick out of love or out of pride in our views? I suppose I’m really just talking to myself here, ha. But it is something I need to be wary of, and I am sure others feel the same way.😊
 
I went to the site and wow. 😉 I listened to most of his debate with Dr. Sugnusis (sp?) who really took no prisoners! Apparently all of us Catholics are going to hell, no exceptions. At least we say that others can go to heaven. Yikes.

That approach is what turns me off from a lot of the fundementalist out there, and i guess some other protestants also. I recently read Scott Hahn’s book, “Home to Rome” and would recommend it to as many of those folks who would be willing to read it. Matter of fact, it would be good for any of us to read to reinforce our own faith. .
 
It is sad that pride has come in there so much…but you know, we can all be susceptible to it. I think, in debating or apologetics or what have you, one must always strive to be charitable and humble. I fail at that all the time - the knee-jerk reaction is to want to go in there, dish out the deep theology, and kick butt…but we must always ask ourselves why we are doing it? Are we debating people like Matt Slick out of love or out of pride in our views? I suppose I’m really just talking to myself here, ha. But it is something I need to be wary of, and I am sure others feel the same way.😊
This is true. But slick has a special way about him. :rolleyes: he really like to hear himself talk!
 
I am still not sure what CARM means, but I have a feeling it has nothing to do with Camelite.

That was my original impression.
 
It is sad that pride has come in there so much…but you know, we can all be susceptible to it. I think, in debating or apologetics or what have you, one must always strive to be charitable and humble. I fail at that all the time - the knee-jerk reaction is to want to go in there, dish out the deep theology, and kick butt…but we must always ask ourselves why we are doing it? Are we debating people like Matt Slick out of love or out of pride in our views? I suppose I’m really just talking to myself here, ha. But it is something I need to be wary of, and I am sure others feel the same way.😊
If you are talking to yourself you are taking the words right out of my mouth, charity is my number 1 struggling point. 😊
my 2nd biggest problem is that I’m discussing religion with a bunch of anti-historic misconceptions! Oh… there I go again 😛
I am still not sure what CARM means, but I have a feeling it has nothing to do with Camelite.

That was my original impression.
😃 I’m afraid not! I’m pretty sure it actually stands for anti-Catholic Apologetics and Research Ministry. The a is silent in [a]CARM.
 
What amazes me is that even a Protestant seminary like Westminster sounds more Catholic and orthodox than CARM. I attended there in the 70s and a lot of what I was taught there led me to embrace Anglicanism. They taught a higher view of the Eucharist than most evangelicals, they acknowledged that the Hypostatic union made it correct to call Mary Mother of God. They taught against the Nestorianism and Docetism in much of evangelical theology of today. Gee. plus I gained a deep apreciation of church history at that seminary.
 
Looking for a little feedback here - this is going to be my response to Matt Slick’s thread concerning six questions about the Catholic understanding of the Eucharist. What do you think of my response? Where does it need tweaking?
Here it is (part 1):
Hi Matt,
I’d like to give it a shot and answer your questions thus posed concerning the Eucharist. Obviously, you won’t agree with the answers, but you asked for some, so here are a few. I have always found Blaise Pascal’s thoughts on it to be most helpful: “How I hate such foolishness as not believing in the Eucharist, etc. If the Gospel is true, if Jesus Christ is God, where is the difficulty?” (Pensees, XIII:168).
Of course, I don’t speak for the Church - any errors I may make are my own.
Anyways, here’s some answers for you.
Pax Deum!

Question: "Was Jesus eating his own body and blood when he partook of the ‘Lord’s Supper’?

Answer: Yes. St. Thomas Aquinas answers in the Summa Theologica (III, 81, 1):
"On the contrary, Jerome says (Ad Hedib., Ep. xxx), ‘The Lord Jesus Christ, Himself the guest and banquet, is both the partaker and what is eaten.’
I answer that, Some have said that Christ during the supper gave His body and blood to His disciples, but did not partake of it Himself. But this seems improbable. Because Christ Himself was the first to fulfill what He required others to observe: hence He willed first to be baptized when imposing Baptism upon others: as we read in Acts 1:1: “Jesus began to do and to teach.” Hence He first of all took His own body and blood, and afterwards gave it to be taken by the disciples. And hence the gloss upon Ruth 3:7, “When he had eaten and drunk, says: Christ ate and drank at the supper, when He gave to the disciples the sacrament of His body and blood. Hence, ‘because the children partook [Vulgate: ‘are partakers’ (Hebrews 2:14)] of His flesh and blood, He also hath been partaker in the same.’”

Question: “Was the Eucharist the sacrificed body and blood even though when Jesus instituted it, he hadn’t yet been crucified?”

Answer: Yes. St. Thomas Aquinas answers in the Summa Theologica (III, 73, 5):
“This sacrament was instituted during the supper, so as in the future to be a memorial of our Lord’s Passion as accomplished. Hence He said expressively: “As often as ye shall do these things”, speaking of the future.”

Question: If the Eucharist is to be worshipped, why is it that such worship is not found in the New Testament?

Answer: This question makes the assumption that every doctrine and teaching must be explicitly found in Scripture. I believe Robert Sungenis already took you to task on this here: youtube.com/watch?v=YvbTmQ0Gu5o.
Nonetheless, the Eucharist is to be worshipped because it is truly the Body and Blood of Christ. This worship is implied by St. Paul: “For he that eats and drinks unworthily eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord” (1 Cor 11:29). If it is truly the Body and Blood of the Lord, is it not to be worshipped? Again, St. Paul writes: The chalice of benediction which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? And the bread which we break, is it not the partaking of the body of the Lord?" (1 Cor 10:16). If this is so, if Christ is truly present in the Eucharist, then worship is implied.
A similar question could be raised in the same vein as your own - if the Trinity is to be worshipped, why is it that the Trinity is not found explicitly in the New Testament? But the answer is that it is, albeit indirectly and implied, though the “Trinity” is never explicitly named once.

Question: "If the Eucharist is the actual body and blood of Christ, then doesn’t that mean that Jesus himself (eating the supper) violated Levitcal law? ‘For as for the life of all flesh, its blood is identified with its life. Therefore I said to the sons of Israel, You are not to eat the blood of any flesh, for the life of all flesh is its blood; whoever eats it shall be cut off,’ (Lev. 17:14).

Answer: This is a bit of a ridiculous stretch here - but it is interesting that Christ is following what is said here when He states, “I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh, for the life of the world” (John 6:51). The blood is truly the life, in a sense.
I may be wrong here, but did Christ not fulfill the Jewish Law (Matt 5:17)? It’s interesting that those who hold to sola fide would bring up Levitical Law, but it’s a good question anyways.
 
and here’s part 2:

Question: “Please explain how The Real Presence does not violate Christ’s physical incarnation by having his physical body be in multiple places at the summoning of the Priest at the elevation of the elements? (Christ is incarnated as a man in a physical body. By definition, a man’s physical body can only be at one place at a time.)”

Answer: Is Christ God or isn’t He? Is He all-powerful, or isn’t He?
St. Thomas writes in the Summa Theologica (III, 75, 1):
“Christ’s body is not in this sacrament in the same way as a body is in a place, which by its dimensions is commensurate with the place; but in a special manner which is proper to this sacrament. Hence we say that Christ’s body is upon many altars, not as in different places, but ‘sacramentally’: and thereby we do not understand that Christ is there only as in a sign, although a sacrament is a kind of sign; but that Christ’s body is here after a fashion proper to this sacrament, as stated above.”

Question: “How is the RCC Eucharist/Mass not a resacrifice of Christ when it is called a sacrifice (CCC 1055, 1365) that is divine (1068), a re-presentation of the sacrifice of Christ (1366), is the same sacficie of Christ (1367), is proptiatory (1367), and makes reparation of sins (1414).”

Answer: The answer is in your question - it is a “re-presentation”, not a re-sacrifice. It is simply following the Lord’s command in Scripture: “And taking bread, he gave thanks and broke and gave to them, saying: This is my body, which is given for you. Do this for a commemoration of me” (Luke 22:19) The sacrifice of Christ is once and for all time - the Mass/Eucharist is simply a continuation through time of the one sacrifice of Christ upon the cross.
 
Wow! I just popped over there for the first time, and I had to run to the bathroom and look in the mirror to see if my horns were protruding!!! :eek:

Talk about ignorance, whew, that’s 2 minutes I’ll never get back.
Yeap.

For 90% of the threads and posts, there is a core group (including the moderator!) that either:
  1. Start threads for trolling purposes only.
  2. reply to posts only to ‘flame’
I’ve suspect that most of the ‘core group’ is >60 years of age and are semi-senile, incapable of reasoned thought and possess passive-aggressive character traits: a dam, valleygem, ETGO, jj_jones, 4Him, ect…

I have received, to date, nine ‘infractions’… The last was for commenting that “insulting me wont get you any brownie points with Jesus”…

take it for what its worth, A joke…

BTW - I was banned from CHAT for 6 months, by Matt Slick himself, because I mentioned Mary is a positive light…
 
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