What's the deal with CARM

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HKW said:
Yeap.

For 90% of the threads and posts, there is a core group (including the moderator!) that either:
  1. Start threads for trolling purposes only.
  2. reply to posts only to ‘flame’
I’ve suspect that most of the ‘core group’ is >60 years of age and are semi-senile, incapable of reasoned thought and possess passive-aggressive character traits: a dam, valleygem, ETGO, jj_jones, 4Him, ect…

I have received, to date, nine ‘infractions’… The last was for commenting that “insulting me wont get you any brownie points with Jesus”…

take it for what its worth, A joke…

BTW - I was banned from CHAT for 6 months, by Matt Slick himself, because I mentioned Mary is a positive light…
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I am not surprised…some of the threads there are downright insulting to Catholics.
 
"I’ve suspect that most of the ‘core group’ is >60 years of age and are semi-senile, incapable of reasoned thought and possess passive-aggressive character traits: a dam, valleygem, ETGO, jj_jones, 4Him, ect… "

I hate to point out that some of the quotes made by Catholics in this forum who point the finger at CARM ought to look at their own example of ‘charity’ . I was recently ‘introduced’ to CARM by ( I am sure) a well meaning and ‘innocent’ co-worker… I work at a Christian Book store for the family that is mainly for Protestants and I am planted there ( lowest paid job I have had since I was 16 and I am now 44) as a token Catholic. Pray for me St Peter! Anyway yesterday this young man posted on FB an MP3 clip from this Matt Slick. My co-worker simply posted with a title " a good source for interesting information about the Catholic Church". There I found how Matt Slick cleverly ( to the undiscerning and those ignorant of the true teachings of the Church) wove a web of deceit quoting very quickly ( so quickly one had to keep stopping the tape to find the source quote) from the CCC , the council of Trent and naturally the Bible, in a way as to sound VERY educated and therefore believable. BUt I am happy to say that my 40 years of Protistantisim and indoctrination in the same arguments and having swam my way out of the muck across to the other side of the Tiber I was not so easily fooled. I could not let this blatant FB post sit out there among my friends and so I had 3 options, neither of which I really liked, reply , hide/delete the post - which I saw as cowardly or ‘unfriend’ my co-worker- which would be un charitable. So I took the bait ,plunged in and listened to the clip- searched for the article on what the Catholic Church teaches on “attaining salvation” and also the Matt slick core beliefs - as found in his What I believe - WIB bullets. One finds so many errors SO very quickly it is hard to know where to begin to answer but I had to so I just took one I found in the first 2 paragraphs that talked about faith alone… Funnily enough I try to argue with all of my separated brethren from scripture alone by using reason . I very quickly got to the point where my co-worker said the following ."Regarding Ephesians…

Logically speaking, the word alone is implied (in that context).

Why do so many religious people boast today? Their works. “Oh I give ___ to charity.” “I do ______” “I’m a good person.” etc.

Paul is saying here, “Your works don’t save you, so you have absolutely no reason to boast about them. You are saved by faith.” That is, I believe, the plain reading of the text." To which I replied “how can one imply something and believe the “plain reading” at the same time, this is contradictory and if you want to start using implication and logic in your scriptural arguments then one can “imply” all sorts of things. For example your original source ( CARM- Matt Slick) ,and I assume that means you also, clearly as stated in his WIB points 6 & 7 that God is rather a dictatorial God, choosing , presumably at random, who is predetermined to be saved and will leave the others that he created to burn in hell because he doles out grace to some and not others, completely ignoring their free will which clearly to this source God has chosen to ignore. So thereby he implies that all of the Christians who are saved are nothing but robots.” I am still just stepping my toes into the apologetics field and would love some thoughts on the argument I use. I have found though that doing this with people who are blatantly anti-Catholic are also anti reason it seams ,so one really has to sit with them one on one. Which is what I have invited this young man to do. Or do I leave it alone since he is a co-worker and simply pray for him?
 
ChrisB103 said:
Well I can’t speak for Protestants, but I wouldn’t guess that it would appear as offensive/ignorant to non-Catholics as it looks to us.
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It is, indeed, too offensive for this non-Catholic to tolerate. I only posted once and then sent an e-mail requesting they close my account. In the e-mail, I said, “After looking through the threads, I noticed numerous personal attacks and insults. The lack of charity on CARM is very disturbing, and is a sad testament to Christianity. Please delete my account. I only made one post.”

Peace,
Anna
 
Anna_Scott said:
It is, indeed, too offensive for this non-Catholic to tolerate. I only posted once and then sent an e-mail requesting they close my account. In the e-mail, I said, “After looking through the threads, I noticed numerous personal attacks and insults. The lack of charity on CARM is very disturbing, and is a sad testament to Christianity. Please delete my account. I only made one post.”

Peace,
Anna
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I agree - I did the same thing, though I just posted it on the forum topic itself. When I start seeing posts with titles like “Ask me why I’d rather die than being Roman Catholic”, I realize that I’m not exactly dealing with people of extraordinary intellect or charity.
 
theidler said:
I agree - I did the same thing, though I just posted it on the forum topic itself. When I start seeing posts with titles like “Ask me why I’d rather die than being Roman Catholic”, I realize that I’m not exactly dealing with people of extraordinary intellect or charity.
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theidler,

I don’t understand the lack of love and charity by those professing to be Christians; and I don’t understand the judgment of the souls of others. When you get past the offensiveness of the posts there, it is really very tragic; and I think they need our prayers.

Peace,
Anna
 
Anna_Scott said:
theidler,

I don’t understand the lack of love and charity by those professing to be Christians; and I don’t understand the judgment of the souls of others. When you get past the offensiveness of the posts there, it is really very tragic; and I think they need our prayers.

Peace,
Anna
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I think so too Anna. Truly, they are rather a lost bunch - and I don’t mean that in the “I’m saved, you’re lost” way…
 
Mberg3 said:
I tried to start a conversation on CARM forums and I got blasted by ignorant comments from Reformists, Atheists, Fundumentalists, you name it, Has anyone else tried to post on there?
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I have, but I’ve abandoned that forum because participating there is a waste of time.

CARM is very strict in what it labels as acceptably Christian and what it rejects as a “non-Christian cult.” If you read some of their information on the main website, it suggests that Roman Catholicism is inherently a major “non-Christian cult” for a variety of dubious reasons. I’ve also seen (inevitably, I suppose) attacks on the forum against the Orthodox Church for the same reason.

CARM is not really the best place to go to have a reasoned, good-natured debate.
 
theidler said:
and here’s part 2:

Question: “Please explain how The Real Presence does not violate Christ’s physical incarnation by having his physical body be in multiple places at the summoning of the Priest at the elevation of the elements? (Christ is incarnated as a man in a physical body. By definition, a man’s physical body can only be at one place at a time.)”

Answer: Is Christ God or isn’t He? Is He all-powerful, or isn’t He?
St. Thomas writes in the Summa Theologica (III, 75, 1):
“Christ’s body is not in this sacrament in the same way as a body is in a place, which by its dimensions is commensurate with the place; but in a special manner which is proper to this sacrament. Hence we say that Christ’s body is upon many altars, not as in different places, but ‘sacramentally’: and thereby we do not understand that Christ is there only as in a sign, although a sacrament is a kind of sign; but that Christ’s body is here after a fashion proper to this sacrament, as stated above.”

Question: “How is the RCC Eucharist/Mass not a resacrifice of Christ when it is called a sacrifice (CCC 1055, 1365) that is divine (1068), a re-presentation of the sacrifice of Christ (1366), is the same sacficie of Christ (1367), is proptiatory (1367), and makes reparation of sins (1414).”

Answer: The answer is in your question - it is a “re-presentation”, not a re-sacrifice. It is simply following the Lord’s command in Scripture: “And taking bread, he gave thanks and broke and gave to them, saying: This is my body, which is given for you. Do this for a commemoration of me” (Luke 22:19) The sacrifice of Christ is once and for all time - the Mass/Eucharist is simply a continuation through time of the one sacrifice of Christ upon the cross.
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I love Thomas Aquinas. So brilliant.
 
Well, recently on carm.org. I met a few Catholics who debate/have casual conversation with a lot of Protestants [Fundamentalist].

Well, I was one of them. One of the members were talking about the Hail Mary. Well, I posted the Hail Mary for someone to see it. Then the next day, I tried logging in, and I received a ban notice (7 days) for posting Idolatry.

This is just absurd to me. This website is not Christian at all. If they were Christian, they would of have accepted my prayer, even though it was to the intersessions of Mary, OR AT LEAST ignored it.

This proves that this website is frightened of Catholics and of the truth we hold. So they try to get rid of us. Well I have a message for them, read Matthew 16:18, should tell you everything you need to know about us.
 
Sorry you got banned, but carm is, well, carm after all. Not likely to be very understanding about Mary.
 
Carm is terrible, they’re closed minded and offensive. They don’t want to know and especially understand what Catholics believe and why. Basically, they think they have the Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth. And because we disagree, we go to hell. :rolleyes:
 
CARM is a Calvinist/Evangelical run website, they’re known for being anti-Catholic. I wouldn’t fret over it, just keep on evangelising when you’re “un-banned”. Though, I would definitely, definitely PM one of the mod’s on there and ask for a reason as to why you were banned.
 
You’re wasting your time there JD. I have been boycotting that board for a few years now because of that very kind of trash they pull. Leave 'em…if they want the truth about what Catholics believe and why, they know very well where to find us.

I refuse to support them in any way, which means I won’t post there so that they can abuse us and our most holy faith.

Remember what Our Lord said about those kinds of people.
Code: 
Mark 6:11
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you; going forth from thence, shake off the dust from your feet for a testimony to them.
 
I bet many Lutherans, Anglicans, Methodist, Episcopalians, Quakers, and Presbyterians would be deemed as Heretics along with us Catholics according to CARM.

The sight should be called

Christianity
According to
Reformed
Misanthropes.

What is the C.A.R.M declaration of faith I wonder.

I believe in Matt Slick our Almighty interpreter,
Creator of this Holy and bless-ed forum;
I believe in James White who was predestined elect,
born of the Holy Ghost;
Consubstantial with Matt Slick.
Through them our salvation is revealed.

They came down from their Thrones of Glory
they were persecuted under Robert Sungenis;
After being slaughtered, they rose again and ascended back into the
Ministries they founded; Their theology will have no end.

I believe in John Calvin who proceeds forth from the mouth of
Matt Slick and James White.
Whom with Matt Slick and James White
is to be Revered and Venerated.

I believe in the Baptism of the Holy Ghost that is wholly apart from water.

I believe in the Remnant Elect invisible Church,
and look forward to more biblical teachings, the
Conversion of all Catholics whom are eternally lost
unless they have been elected to receive our gospel
Amen!

Lol. :rotfl:
 
Funny post of a made-up “creed.” Bravo!!!

By the way, Mr. White’s own sister is a convert to Catholicism,
and I’ll bet that THAT REALLY sticks in his craw.

Jaypeeto4
 
I am currently “banned” for three days because I replied to one of the anti-Catholic posters that he/she made numerous “ad hominem” attacks… apparently I violated the rule against challenging arguments from followers of the Reformed position.
 
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