What's the difference between dogma and doctrines?

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What’s the difference between dogma and doctrines?

Also, is dogma infallible? I’m not talking about Papal Infallibility, just Infallible dogma in general.
 
hamburglar said:
What’s the difference between dogma and doctrines?

Also, is dogma infallible? I’m not talking about Papal Infallibility, just Infallible dogma in general.
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Doctrines are “teachings” given to us by the Magisterium, which in the Church (Catholic) are the infallible ones.

Dogmas are “pronouncements of truth” (which by using the word “truth” implies infallibility), which in the Church come only from the Magisterium, which is the infallible teaching authority.

So, you tell me what the difference is between Doctrines and Dogmas in the Catholic Church? 🙂

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hamburglar said:
What’s the difference between dogma and doctrines?

Also, is dogma infallible? I’m not talking about Papal Infallibility, just Infallible dogma in general.
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Doctrine - any truth taught by the Church as necessary for acceptance by the faithful.

The truth may be either formally revealed (as the Real Presence), or a theological conclusion (as the canonization of a saint), or part of the natural law (as the sinfulness of contraception). In any case, what makes it doctrine is that the Church authority teaches that it is to be believed. This teaching may be done either solemnly in ex cathedra pronouncements or decision of an ecumenical council, or this teaching may be taught ordinarily in the exercise of the Church’s magisterium or teaching authority.

Dogmas are those doctrines which the Church proposes for belief as formally revealed by God.

The difference in Dogmas and Doctrines is the level of certainty with which the magisterium teaches. Dogmas are taught with absolute certainty (beyond all doubt whatsoever), whereas doctrines are taught with moral certainty (similar to beyond reasonable doubt).

Dogmas require the assent of faith, meaning that obstinate doubt or denial of the truth of the dogma is the sin of heresy–a sin against the virtue of faith.

Doctrines require religious submission of intellect and will. Refusal to submit to doctrines of the Church is not a heresy, not a sin against faith, but a sin against charity. We are called to “obey our leaders and submit to them” (Heb 13:17). To dissent with doctrine is incompatible with humility, loyalty, and charity. It is a matter of placing one’s own fallible intellect and will above that of the mind of the Holy Catholic Church.
 
thistle said:
The difference in Dogmas and Doctrines is the level of certainty with which the magisterium teaches. Dogmas are taught with absolute certainty (beyond all doubt whatsoever), whereas doctrines are taught with moral certainty (similar to beyond reasonable doubt).
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Thanks for the clarification! I very much appreciate that.

I was under the impression that they were equivalent to one and other. As far as “belief” is concerned, they are “functional equivalents”, but now I see there is a difference.

Thanks again! 🙂

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thistle said:
Doctrine - any truth taught by the Church as necessary for acceptance by the faithful.

The truth may be either formally revealed (as the Real Presence), or a theological conclusion (as the canonization of a saint), or part of the natural law (as the sinfulness of contraception). In any case, what makes it doctrine is that the Church authority teaches that it is to be believed. This teaching may be done either solemnly in ex cathedra pronouncements or decision of an ecumenical council, or this teaching may be taught ordinarily in the exercise of the Church’s magisterium or teaching authority.

Dogmas are those doctrines which the Church proposes for belief as formally revealed by God.

The difference in Dogmas and Doctrines is the level of certainty with which the magisterium teaches. Dogmas are taught with absolute certainty (beyond all doubt whatsoever), whereas doctrines are taught with moral certainty (similar to beyond reasonable doubt).

Dogmas require the assent of faith, meaning that obstinate doubt or denial of the truth of the dogma is the sin of heresy–a sin against the virtue of faith.

Doctrines require religious submission of intellect and will. Refusal to submit to doctrines of the Church is not a heresy, not a sin against faith, but a sin against charity. We are called to “obey our leaders and submit to them” (Heb 13:17). To dissent with doctrine is incompatible with humility, loyalty, and charity. It is a matter of placing one’s own fallible intellect and will above that of the mind of the Holy Catholic Church.
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How do I know that what you said is true, i.e., infallible?

What Church document(s) did you quote from?
 
Doctrine is a broad term meaning “teaching.” Under this umbrella there are dogmas. Dogmas are truths revealed by God that must be believed with a divine and Catholic faith. They are also called “credenda” in that they must be “believed.”

Under the broad umbrella of “doctrine” alongside credenda there are “tenenda” (teachings which must be “held.”) Teaching on morals which can be known by natural reason and are therefore not “dogmas” per se (thus the phrase “faith and morals”), also fit under the umbrella of doctrine. Like dogmas, the Church hands on the teaching on morals infallibly.

Likewise under tenenda are truths which are so closely related to revealed truths, and that aid the Church in defending and expounding upon faith and morals, that the Church also teaches them infallibly.

The Second Vatican Council summed up what I just said nicely in Lumen Gentium:
And this infallibility with which the Divine Redeemer willed His Church to be endowed in defining doctrine of faith and morals, extends as far as the deposit of divine Revelation, to guard it religiously and faithfully expound it.
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Notice, infallibility relates to the broad term “doctrine.”
 
JOE_OBERR said:
How do I know that what you said is true, i.e., infallible?

What Church document(s) did you quote from?
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Well nothing I say is infallible because I am not the Pope and Magesterium.
The OP simply wanted to know the difference between dogma and doctrines. I had saved what I quoted from another thread but lost the link relating to it.
Is there something you read in it that you disagree with?
In my simplistic terms all dogmas are doctrines but not all doctrines are dogma but all doctrines (dogmatic and non-dogmatic) must be accepted and obeyed.
 
I just read the thread title as [What’s the difference between dogma and hamburgers]

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thistle said:
Is there something in what I quoted that you disagree with?
The OP did not ask for a list of dogmas. He asked what is the difference between dogma and doctrine.
However if you wish a list of dogmas try this:

theworkofgod.org/dogmas.htm
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Sacraments # 8 on list of Dogmas.

Yes … your comments suggested to me that the Eucharist [as defined by the Chruch] … did not rise to the level of a dogma.
 
RebeccaJ said:
I just read the thread title as [What’s the difference between **dogma and hamburgers
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]

Is somebody in need of a snackypoo?

The difference between dogma and hamburgers is that hamburgers cook up better, but dogmas taste better, and are a bit less greasy.

…though, to “get dyslexic”, hamma is not quite as “distasteful” as dogburgers!

:slapfight:

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BRB said:
Sacraments # 8 on list of Dogmas.

Yes … your comments suggested to me that the Eucharist [as defined by the Chruch] … did not rise to the level of a dogma.
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I thought it was clear in what I quoted that it is dogma.
 
From Ludwig Ott’s Fundamental of Catholic Dogma, pages 4-10:
By **dogma **in the strict sense is understood a truth **immediately revealed **by God which has been **proposed by the Teaching Authority of the church **to be believed as such…
Two factors or elements may be distinguished in the concept of dogma:—
a) …the Dogma must be immediately revealed by God either explicitly or inclusively, and therefore be contained in the sources of Revelation (Holy Writ or Traditiion).
b) The Promulgation of the Dogma by the Teaching Authority of the Church…either in an extraordinary manner through a solemn decision of faith made by the Pope or a General Council or through the ordinary and general teaching power of the Church (Magisterium…).
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Those **doctrines **and truths defined by the Church **not **as immediately revealed but as intrinsically connected with the truths of Revelation…are called Catholic Truths…
Catholic truths or Church doctrines, on which the infallible Teaching Authority of the Church has finally decided…****are infallibly certain as dogmas ****proper.
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It seems that there are some types of doctrine that are infallible and some that are not.
 
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