What's the difference between Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses?

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ChristianAD said:
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The teaching was from the Hebrew scriptures and there customs, notice the part that reads “from thou has known the holy scriptures”.

Do you fully understand what you are replying?
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Can you post without being condescending nasty and rude it’s not really very Christian.
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KathleenGee said:
ChristianAD,

I had a pretty long day but I am gleaning through the posts from earlier today. And it is something to think about…why do you choose to believe in a system that thinks it is right, it only coming about in around in the mid-1800 AD…your sources pretty much getting their salvo by being anti Catholic…don’t you think you are studying with bit of a slant??? I would prefer to learn the truth about an organization, not from somebody who has limited faith and education…

I don’t want to be part of any Lone Ranger Religion that gets itself pumped up thinking it is Christian and nobody else is…isn’t that the sin of presumption?..It is better to seek the truth, be humble and recognize Christ in every human being as He stands before each one of us…
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He is denying that he has chosen a belief system, he claims he came up with these watch tower ideas on his own. He is ashamed to say he is a JW and falsely claiming to be the person who came up with these ideas.
 
Robyn_p said:
It truly is mind blowing that He would do that. But what if He went even further!?!

What if God actually didn’t leave us orphans, didn’t leave us with a book and say, “Here you go, make sure you are able to understand all the little nuances of ancient languages and make sure you spend your entire life on this book, and then you can understand what I actually meant.” What if instead, He left us with an authoritative institution, so we can know what is the truth and be truly set free, and not have to rely on ourselves and our knowledge of ancient languages. If the stakes are so high, which they are, our eternal salvation depends on knowing the Truth, why would He give us such a difficult system? Where only a few people who can read and who have enough free time to devote their lives to deciphering the Scriptures, have access to the truth that sets one free? What if there was something more stable and accessible to all people in every nation, race, time and place?

What if He meant us to be joined together as One Body?(1 Cor 12) What if that body was his Church? (Eph 1:23)

What if that Church had the authority to forgive sins in his name? (Jn 20:20-23) What if that Church was actually the pillar and foundation of the truth?(1 Tim 3:15) What if God gave us a hierarchy made up of apostles and prophets and teachers, guiding us? So that we are no longer children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine.(Eph 4:11-14) What if, He was present in the Eucharist!? (Jn 6:54-56, 1 Cor 11) And now we can receive and be joined to the Creator of the entire universe in a way the OT prophets only dreamed of!

What if he REALLY left us all this?!? What if when He said the gates of hell would not prevail against this Church, he meant it. (Mt 16:18) What if that Church was still around today? Wouldn’t you want any of that? I do, which is why I am Catholic. It’s so freeing and awesome. I don’t have to guess and wonder why twenty different denominations reading the same scripture passage come up with twenty different interpretations. I can know the answer, because He left me a way to know for sure.

This system meets every need of the human person! We are not made to be solitary, every man for himself. He made us social beings, where we need one another. Wouldn’t it make sense that He would set up a system that would promote that part of us that He himself willed? Not undermine it, which is ultimately what Sola Scriptura does, it makes every man his own authority. That doesn’t fit with everything God did in the past.

You are correct, this has nothing to do with denominationalism, it’s about Truth. If God took the trouble to set up a Church, He must know what He’s doing. I’d personally rather stick with the system He set up. 👍 He’s a LOT smarter than me. 🙂

I know you’re probably thinking, that’s a lot of what ifs. I’m convinced it’s true, it fits with everything we see in the Bible, both Old and New Testaments, and what we see throughout the history of Christianity. You may not believe it, but it’s worth considering and taking a second look, is it not? I’m not saying for you to become Catholic, just consider maybe God really did leave us a foundation of truth, which the Bible itself testifies is not the scriptures alone, but the Church.👍
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I really Love this quote, said so well:thumbsup:
 
To the OP, I think we can draw some big-picture similarities between these very different groups (LDS and JW)
  1. False understanding of Christ and his divinity
  2. Use and promotion bad “translations” of scripture, along with according scripture-like status to works authored by cult/sect leaders
  3. An anti-orthodox approach to church history wherein orthodox Christianity has apostatized early in, accompanied by the resulting anti-catholic sentiment
  4. A legacy of prophecies that fail to come true
  5. Lastly a particularly American approach to religion which marries piety to outlandish belief; a land where anything is possible, but loose morals are frowned upon (or used to be).
Other than that, I don’t see much in common with LDS and JWs.

What else?
 
JHow said:
Before anyone goes too far down the rabbit hole of debating "sola inscriptura " with a JW, the JW should back up and agree not to use the flawed Watchtower “translation”, or else defend the Watchtower’s competence and authority to edit scripture.
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How about we use Hebrew and Greek or the Septuagints, and directly translate the words to what they should be?
 
JHow said:
To the OP, I think we can draw some big-picture similarities between these very different groups (LDS and JW)
  1. False understanding of Christ and his divinity
  2. Use and promotion bad “translations” of scripture, along with according scripture-like status to works authored by cult/sect leaders
  3. An anti-orthodox approach to church history wherein orthodox Christianity has apostatized early in, accompanied by the resulting anti-catholic sentiment
  4. A legacy of prophecies that fail to come true
  5. Lastly a particularly American approach to religion which marries piety to outlandish belief; a land where anything is possible, but loose morals are frowned upon (or used to be).
Other than that, I don’t see much in common with LDS and JWs.

What else?
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I have not quoted one scripture from the JW bible…I use bible.cc it gives you every bible ever created and the scrolls they were translated from… Please speak honestly.
 
Pepband_Mom said:
I would say the JW’s “know” what THEY THINK the Bible to BE; they know something that is a departure from the REAL Bible… their New World Translation is a deliberate & deplorable departure from authentic RCC translations. No Biblical Scholar worth his salt would give a plug nickel for it. First year Greek students can easily find the errors deliberately placed within it’s worthless pages.

LDS believe in the Bible insofar as it is 'translated correctly", a silly but effective manipulation flung at adherents; how & when if ever do they do their homework? Who guides them through the process? The wolf in sheep’s clothing perhaps? :hypno:

NEITHER JW or LDS know who JESUS really IS…

If you don’t get God/Jesus/Holy Spirit right, then not much else REALLY MATTERS! It just all falls flat doesn’t it? :stretcher:
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Do you see the name Jehovah in anything I have sent? Research the scrolls your bible was written from? I have used the Tetragrammaton…

I have not stated what Jesus is only scriptures that speak about it… His disciples stated his was the Son of God, The Father Stated he is his beloved Son, what more do you need? Why would Jesus hand the Kingdom back to himself. This the King James version of the bible from bible.cc

Matt 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Matt 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with Thee, Jesus, Thou Son of God?

Matt 3:17 And, lo, a voice from heaven, saying, This is My beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased.

Do you really have to be annoited to understand this 1 Corinthians 15:20-28? This is not a JW bible but a KJV…Look at this…Once Jesus has reversed what Adam caused he will hand the Kingdom back to the Father, that the Father may be all to everyone or “all in all”. If Jesus and the Father are the same or equal why does he hand the Kingdom back to the Father. Are they not one in the same? Read below…

kingjbible.com/1_corinthians/15.htm

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. 24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

I just want people to think about this. Secondly, these scriptures have a very deep meaning. What are firstfruits? Can someone please lookup the procedure required in harvesting a field?
 
If you believe that detailed analysis of particular words is necessary to make your case, have at it. It would be a welcome change from your previous tactics. Also, let’s try to stay on topic, so please start your posting with a thesis statement related to the topic, such as:

JW interpretation and translation of scripture falls within the mainstream of Christian orthodoxy and biblical scholarship, … Or not, I don’t want to put words in your mouth.
 
Christianad2 said:
I have not quoted one scripture from the JW bible…I use bible.cc it gives you every bible ever created and the scrolls they were translated from… Please speak honestly.
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You please speak honestly: the Watchtower translation is well known, and inaccurate. That you haven’t quoted it is great, but only reinforces the point that Watchtower is flawed.
 
Christianad2 said:
Do you see the name Jehovah in anything I have sent? Research the scrolls your bible was written from? I have used the Tetragrammaton…
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The Meaning of the Tetragrammaton
This is four Hebrew letters (Yod, He, Waw and He) called the “Tetragrammaton”. The four characters are the four Hebrew letters that correspond to YHWH and are transliterated IAUE or Yahweh. Yahweh is the name of the Almighty Father in Heaven that people commonly call “The LORD” or “God”. The reason we see “LORD” and “God” in our bibles is because of a Jewish tradition that the name Yahweh was not to be spoken for fear that the name be blasphemed. However, the scriptures declare that His name should be exalted (e.g. Ps 68:4) and the third commandment forbids this practice. The Preface of some bibles will admit why they change His name. Nearly all will cite tradition and familiarity as the reason. This, I believe is wrong. Sometimes people pronounce the tetragrammaton as “Jehovah”. But Jehovah could never be the right pronunciation. On this web site, the name of Yahweh is used in reference to the Heavenly Father because in the scriptures we are told to praise, exalt, bless, love, teach, preach, anoint, assemble, believe, give thanks, honor and call on His name.

The Tetragrammaton has been found in the 2000 year old Dead Sea Scrolls and in ancient copies of the Septuagint!
 
JHow said:
You please speak honestly: the Watchtower translation is well known, and inaccurate. That you haven’t quoted it is great, but only reinforces the point that Watchtower is flawed.
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jesuspsr said:
The Meaning of the Tetragrammaton
This is four Hebrew letters (Yod, He, Waw and He) called the “Tetragrammaton”. The four characters are the four Hebrew letters that correspond to YHWH and are transliterated IAUE or Yahweh. Yahweh is the name of the Almighty Father in Heaven that people commonly call “The LORD” or “God”. The reason we see “LORD” and “God” in our bibles is because of a Jewish tradition that the name Yahweh was not to be spoken for fear that the name be blasphemed. However, the scriptures declare that His name should be exalted (e.g. Ps 68:4) and the third commandment forbids this practice. The Preface of some bibles will admit why they change His name. Nearly all will cite tradition and familiarity as the reason. This, I believe is wrong. Sometimes people pronounce the tetragrammaton as “Jehovah”. But Jehovah could never be the right pronunciation. On this web site, the name of Yahweh is used in reference to the Heavenly Father because in the scriptures we are told to praise, exalt, bless, love, teach, preach, anoint, assemble, believe, give thanks, honor and call on His name.

The Tetragrammaton has been found in the 2000 year old Dead Sea Scrolls and in ancient copies of the Septuagint!
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That is exactly what I have used YHWH the letters of the Hebrew tetragrammaton. Yes it was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, are you aware that the Septuagints before 200 CE, used the name of GOD or the Tetragrammaton? The codecs Jesus and his disciples read from used GOD’S name…

eliyah.com/lxx.html

I have not condemned what you believe, but have tried to encourage people to read their bibles. I have not stood for beliefs of JWs or Mormons, only the scriptures, and yet I was kicked off this site for using the words of GOD. You people have a nice day.
 
Christianad2 said:
That is exactly what I have used YHWH the letters of the Hebrew tetragrammaton. Yes it was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, are you aware that the Septuagints before 200 CE, used the name of GOD or the Tetragrammaton? The codecs Jesus and his disciples read from used GOD’S name…

eliyah.com/lxx.html

I have not condemned what you believe, but have tried to encourage people to read their bibles. I have not stood for beliefs of JWs or Mormons, only the scriptures, and yet I was kicked off this site for using the words of GOD. You people have a nice day.
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you have been banned and you came back? I see you have no capacity for learning
 
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