What has been called into question regarding Constantine is the views and beliefs of Eastern Catholicism, which are not of concern to this conversation. He understands what we Eastern Orthodox believe, and he understands what Latin Catholics believe.
Thanks for your kind words…didn’t say the OP didn’t know. I was simply sharing an experience. I was also advised but all Othodox I have conversed with, including Orthodox Priest and Historian to go to the source for validity and to stay clear of all information on the internet that was not stated on www.goarch.org.
Not true about the Latin Church as you say, about which he’s usually corrected as often as any orthodox about the claims he makes. He understands Orthodox claims about the Latins- That’s it.
I am a trained Latin Catechist, I know what the Latins believe. Please do not derail this thread like the other threads you have already derailed. Don’t make this about your agenda against me. Thanks.
So Constantine, are you Eastern Catholic or Orthodox. I see your religion is the cross used in the Orthodox Church but im not sure having been in many discussions like this with you
I have no agenda against you. Clearly Constantine your mindset is very much orthodox- it’s not a false accusation to say so. If the OP wants to know about true differences, they’ve to know that what you say will be an orthodox perspective, not as was suggested a view that represents both sides. He also asked about E.Catholicism I believe. Someone has advised them to just accept what you say, I’m telling them to be aware it will be an orthodox presentation, not one that encompases in any genuine way, the Latin side.
I am with the UGCC. The three-bar cross is used by both the Eastern Catholics that follow the Byzantine Rite, and the Eastern Orthodox. If you watch Pope Benedict’s visit to Lebanon, he was handed a blessing Cross when he entered the Cathedral (as what is done with Eastern bishops) and the blessing Cross he had in hand is a 3-bar cross.
For the Nth time, Eastern Catholics and Orthodox believe in the same thing. If you find Latinizations, then that is a mistake we are trying to correct. Going to a random Byzantine Catholic parish saying “look, they have original sin in the website and Immaculate Conception” doesn’t make it as true as going to an random Roman Catholic parish and seeing Liturgical abuses and assume that is the norm in the Roman Catholic Church.
This is exactly what 'm saying. You are one of very few E.Catholics I’ve seen here who claim without qualification that they don’t accept CC dogmas. The OP should also go the Eastern forum and learn this for himself, that there are other perspectives of many E.C, different from your views. Your perspective is Orthodox, even your understanding of Latin teaching is painted by what Orthodox claim, not what the Catholic Church claims. It’s not wrong to let the OP know that your view is the orthodox perspective (mainly not entirely of them all), not one that represents the Latin teaching in this comparison. I have done that.
You go into our libraries and it is filled with books by Orthodox theologians, clergy and writers. The source of our tradition and praxis is our mother Orthodox Churches. This has always been the understanding between East and West coming into communion. If you look at the Union of Brest, one of the articles is, “we are not going to debate about purgatory.” It means we are not going to tell you that purgatory is wrong, do not tell us that we have to believe it. Declaring dogmas and just accepting it has so many problems attached to it. We can’t just tack on beliefs onto our faith just because the Pope says so. As I said before, spirituality is like a dish. If you add an ingredient that does not belong to that dish, the entire dish goes bad. It doesn’t mean the other ingredient is poison, but if it doesn’t belong to the dish then it shouldn’t be part of the dish.
I’ve never seen those corrections.
Just put those brooms down, I’m not even Armenian
I’ll give you a better answer later, I’m still digesting your postJust put those brooms down, I’m not even Armenian
What? How about you go and read the Marian thread, the communion thread on the Eastern forum? Many many times he makes a comment on Catholic dogmas or latin doctrines there is some correction that follows. Whether he accepts it is a different matter, but it’s the same experience I see with an Orthodox. I’m not saying he’s wrong, but other than his official church memebership, there’s no difference between many of his posts and what many Orthodox would post here about our church dogmas or the Latin tradition.
a. Let us not derail another thread