It’s not an infallible document, but it still has the correct position. The Church does, in fact, have the divine authority to instruct the state to enforce the Catholic religion. Obviously, it currently doesn’t have the power.The Syllabus of Errors is not an ex cathedra document,so it is not infallible. The judgement on freedom of religion is the kind of thing that the Church can loosen. Freedom of religion has long since become a reality that the Church has had to accept. The Church doesn’t have temporal jurisdiction over countries,so it has no authority to tell governments that they must enforce the Catholic religion.
It’s not an infallible doctrinal teaching, but the magisterium taught it so consistently before the Second Vatican Council, that I think it can be properly called the “Catholic teaching”, since it was the teaching held by the Catholic Church for nearly two millenia.
Yes the Church has this right but how she would go about doing it is what Vatican II elaborates on.It’s not an infallible document, but it still has the correct position. The Church does, in fact, have the divine authority to instruct the state to enforce the Catholic religion. Obviously, it currently doesn’t have the power.
I’d say it would have to be this site:Someone on another thread wrote “I really don’t like arguing with all of these liberals and modernists” and it made me wonder about something. Ignorance and bigotry aside, where do such people get their misinformation? The reason I ask is such comments seem ever more canned. There clearly has been some regrettable programming going on.
More and more I can draw a strong analogy between some fundamentalist Protestants and some self-described “Traditional Catholics” and their myopic ignorance and bigotry. In his first book Karl Keating talked about the sources for many anti-Catholic fundamentalist beliefs. That makes me wonder what sources are used by the type of “Traditional Catholics” who routinely misuse words like “liberal” and “modernist?” It’s certainly not the Bible or official Church documents. They are clearly watching/reading something else.
Could it be SSPX documents? Select TAN re-prints? Something is clearly bringing a very canned and erroneous tone to some “Traditional Catholics’” comments and I would sure like to learn what the source(s) are.
Probably “Most Holy Family Monastery” a.k.a. Dimond Brothers…Someone on another thread wrote “I really don’t like arguing with all of these liberals and modernists” and it made me wonder about something. Ignorance and bigotry aside, where do such people get their misinformation? The reason I ask is such comments seem ever more canned. There clearly has been some regrettable programming going on.
More and more I can draw a strong analogy between some fundamentalist Protestants and some self-described “Traditional Catholics” and their myopic ignorance and bigotry. In his first book Karl Keating talked about the sources for many anti-Catholic fundamentalist beliefs. That makes me wonder what sources are used by the type of “Traditional Catholics” who routinely misuse words like “liberal” and “modernist?” It’s certainly not the Bible or official Church documents. They are clearly watching/reading something else.
Could it be SSPX documents? Select TAN re-prints? Something is clearly bringing a very canned and erroneous tone to some “Traditional Catholics’” comments and I would sure like to learn what the source(s) are.
I have come across these before. I have on occasion done searches for some of the stranger and more obscure references. It never fails to turn up the same sites. Many quotes here from “Church documents” appear no where except on SSPX or websites like the above.Probably “Most Holy Family Monastery” a.k.a. Dimond Brothers…
What’s the “Jack Chick” equivalent for Neo-Catholics, Spiller?
Of course it can - by suppressing false religions.The state can’t help the Church to bring people to salvation.
Actually, I think that would be Paradise.If a society was built around Catholic social teachings and consistently followed them, it would be a paradise.
And that’s your proposal…FORCE everyone to be Catholic?Of course it can - by suppressing false religions.
Error has no rights. Only the Catholic church has the divine right to exist. Suppressing the teaching of false religions is not forcing. the Catholic faith on someoneAnd that’s your proposal…FORCE everyone to be Catholic?
What about Free Will?
You still haven’t answered the Free Will issue.Error has no rights. Only the Catholic church has the divine right to exist. Suppressing the teaching of false religions is not forcing. the Catholic faith on someone
You have free will to kill your neighbor but you do not have the “right” to do so. You have free will to believe in a false religion but you do not have the divine right to do so.You still haven’t answered the Free Will issue.
Apples and oranges.You have free will to kill your neighbor but you do not have the “right” to do so. You have free will to believe in a false religion but you do not have the divine right to do so.
It has everything to do with it. It is a teaching of the Church that all are bound by divine law to belong to the true faith. The declaration on Religious Liberty restates this teaching when it says that all men have the moral obligation to seek the truth, the Catholic Faith, and to embrace it.Apples and oranges.
We all have a free will to choose to follow God’s way or not. Divine Right has nothing to do with it.
Read your own words. Supressing other religions denies one the ability to “seek” the Truth.It has everything to do with it. It is a teaching of the Church that all are bound by divine law to belong to the true faith. The declaration on Religious Liberty restates this teaching when it says that all men have the moral obligation to seek the truth, the Catholic Faith, and to embrace it.
You can’t possibly mean real gods, can you? I mean, there are false “gods” like money, sex, and power… and there are demonic spirits that deceive people, like Ba’al. But there are no other gods besides God:Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god. Who is like me? Let him proclaim it, let him declare and set it forth before me. Who has announced from of old the things to come? Let them tell us what is yet to be. Fear not, nor be afraid; have I not told you from of old and declared it? And you are my witnesses! Is there a God besides me? There is no Rock; I know not any.” (Isaiah 44:6-8)Read the First Commandment. God tells us not to put other gods before him… acknowledging that there are other gods.
Obviously, there are other “gods” of some sort, or God wouldn’t have needed the First Commandment, would he?You can’t possibly mean real gods, can you? I mean, there are false “gods” like money, sex, and power… and there are demonic spirits that deceive people, like Ba’al. But there are no other gods besides God:Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god. Who is like me? Let him proclaim it, let him declare and set it forth before me. Who has announced from of old the things to come? Let them tell us what is yet to be. Fear not, nor be afraid; have I not told you from of old and declared it? And you are my witnesses! Is there a God besides me? There is no Rock; I know not any.” (Isaiah 44:6-8)