What's the point of "inter-religious dialogue"?

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What’s the point if we don’t proclaim our faith?

"King Louis also spoke to me of a great assembly of clergy and Jews which had taken place at the monastery of Cluny. There was a poor knight there at the time to whom the abbot had often given bread for the love of God. This knight asked the abbot if he could speak first, and his request was granted, though somewhat grudgingly. So he rose to his feet, and leaning on his crutch, asked to have the most important and learned rabbi among the Jews brought before him. As soon as the Jew had come, the knight asked him a question: ‘May I know, sir,’ he said, ‘if you believe that the Virgin Mary, who bore our Lord in her body and cradled Him in her arms, was a virgin at the time of His birth, and is in truth the Mother of God?’

The Jew replied that he had no belief in any of those things. Thereupon the knight told the Jew that he had acted like a fool when -neither believing in the Virgin, nor loving her- he had set foot in that monastery which was her house. ‘And by heaven’, exclaimed the knight, ‘I’ll make you pay for it!’ So he lifted his crutch and struck the Jew such a blow with it near the ear that he knocked him down. Then all the Jews took to flight, and carried their sorely wounded rabbi away with them. Thus the conference ended.

The abbot went up to the knight and told him he ad acted most unwisely. The knight retorted that the abbot had been guilty of even greater folly in calling people together for such a conference, because there were many good Christians there who, before the discussion ended, would have gone away with doubts about their own religion through not fully understanding the Jews.

‘So I tell you,’ said the king, 'that no one, unless he is an expert theologian, should venture to argue with these people. But a layman, whenever he hears the Christian religion abused, should not attempt to defend its tenets, except with his sword, and that he should thrust into the scoundrel’s belly, and as far as it will enter
 
If the story were about a Janissary rather than a knight and, instead of Jews, the people involved were Catholics with the subject matter an Islamic belief, I wonder what the reaction here would be?
 
That’s an interesting story, I would love to know where you found it. I agree with the knights sentiments, but I wouldn’t advocate physical assault.

I believe most traditionalists will agree that there is but one purpose for religious dialogue - conversion. Anything less would be gravely uncharitable.
 
If the story were about a Janissary rather than a knight and, instead of Jews, the people involved were Catholics with the subject matter an Islamic belief, I wonder what the reaction here would be?
The Catholic would be a witness to the faith and the Janissary would be nothing more than another soul in need of prayers and conversion.

In fact I think the knight in our story would have a problem with your exercise. It seems to suggest that we should treat non-Catholics with undue respect to their false religion - yet this kind of respect is exactly what the knight had a problem with. To give any kind of authority to another faith can lead to doubt.
 
The Catholic would be a witness to the faith and the Janissary would be nothing more than another soul in need of prayers and conversion.

In fact I think the knight in our story would have a problem with your exercise. It seems to suggest that we should treat non-Catholics with undue respect to their false religion - yet this kind of respect is exactly what the knight had a problem with. To give any kind of authority to another faith can lead to doubt.
AMEN AMEN AMEN

The knight in the story is a story told by King St. Louis IX of France (1215-1270)

There is no point having dialogue with Jews, Muslims or Protestants unless our goal (in the end) is to show them the truth, goodness and beauty of the Catholic faith…

Have we stopped believing that the the Catholic church is the TRUE church of God

History has shown it to be true…no regular person started are religion like all the others…and Christianity should be brought to the Jews…the only other religion started by God

The Jewish faith is the one who brought the messianic prophecy…they should believe that the Jesus is the Lord and Savior
 
“Inter-religious diologue” usually is code for "Lets tell each other we’re all ok so as not to offend anybody.

But we’re all too sensitive. I respect someone more when they tell me I’m flat out wrong than I do if they tell me “well, you believe what you want to believe, whatever”.

While I definitally advocate stopping before the point of physical violence, I also definitally advocate not giving a darn whether or not other religions are ok with ours.
 
The Catholic would be a witness to the faith and the Janissary would be nothing more than another soul in need of prayers and conversion.

In fact I think the knight in our story would have a problem with your exercise. It seems to suggest that we should treat non-Catholics with undue respect to their false religion - yet this kind of respect is exactly what the knight had a problem with. To give any kind of authority to another faith can lead to doubt.
Actually, my exercise was one where the Janissary hit a priest for not believing in some Islamic precept.
 
Well, I think the Janissary story has its advantages!
Right, but I assume your exercise was designed to show that the knights actions were somehow brutal. By placing the Catholic priest in the position of the rabbi, I assume you were trying to demonstrate that such an action is intolerable and barbaric. In the end I assume that we should feel that we can’t act in such a matter, because you never know when you’ll be at the receiving end.

As i pointed out, the knight would have a problem with this sentiment. What the knight was trying to demonstrate was that giving this kind of respect to other faiths is an impediment to the faith. First, we give the false impression that this non-catholic faith has some kind of authority, when it has none. Secondly, by giving any kind of authority to another faith, it may lead to questioning of the Catholic’s faith.

In fact, your Janissary story is actually a desirable outcome for a Catholic. To be assaulted by a non-Catholic for spreading the faith is a great honour.
 
Right, but I assume your exercise was designed to show that the knights actions were somehow brutal. By placing the Catholic priest in the position of the rabbi, I assume you were trying to demonstrate that such an action is intolerable and barbaric. In the end I assume that we should feel that we can’t act in such a matter, because you never know when you’ll be at the receiving end.

As i pointed out, the knight would have a problem with this sentiment. What the knight was trying to demonstrate was that giving this kind of respect to other faiths is an impediment to the faith. First, we give the false impression that this non-catholic faith has some kind of authority, when it has none. Secondly, by giving any kind of authority to another faith, it may lead to questioning of the Catholic’s faith.
Well, my ancestors emerged from (Catholic) Germany and Italy, so I have a bit of a history on the subject of ‘might is right’ religious attitudes - that it’s not a good idea and, if it happens, it’s much better that we’re not involved.

I got the ‘point’ of the story from the start. Of course, Jews have never accepted the idea that the Catholic faith has any authority whatsoever without needing to be a majority with useful knights to beat up priests.
 
In fact, your Janissary story is actually a desirable outcome for a Catholic. To be assaulted by a non-Catholic for spreading the faith is a great honour.
Well, stories of knights beating up the helpless aren’t terribly edifying really.
 
Well, my ancestors emerged from (Catholic) Germany and Italy, so I have a bit of a history on the subject of ‘might is right’ religious attitudes - that it’s not a good idea and, if it happens, it’s much better that we’re not involved.
And my ancestors, well, grandparents, faced religious persecution as well. The Jews aren’t the only people suffering on this planet.
I got the ‘point’ of the story from the start. Of course, Jews have never accepted the idea that the Catholic faith has any authority whatsoever without needing to be a majority with useful knights to beat up priests.
Ah I see, Jews are just perfectly innocent… and while were at it, let’s just drop our beliefs and mirror the Jews in their absence of evangelization.:rolleyes:
 
The point of the story was to show how we should not have false sympathy on other religions…It was not intended to promote people beating other people up

We should talk to other religions in the hopes of converting them… If we truly loved everyone we would want them to know JESUS…who is the Christ son of the living God…
 
We should talk to other religions in the hopes of converting them… If we truly loved everyone we would want them to know JESUS…who is the Christ son of the living God…
But that’s just too outrageous in our modern, liberal secular world. Afterall, all religions are deserving of the same respect!:rolleyes:
 
But that’s just too outrageous in our modern, liberal secular world. Afterall, all religions are deserving of the same respect!:rolleyes:
I like your sarcasm…
yea well…even though I love The Late John Paul the Great
I hope for a day when we wont be to influenced by the attitude among Catholics during his pontificat…that all religions are equal…which is out right WRONG

Of course all religions (only by the grace of God) have some truth…but the Lord has revieled the WHOLE TRUTH throught Jesus Christ…
 
Being able to have tea together without fighting.
Any civil person can sit down with one from another faith and have tea. That has nothing to do with “inter-religious dialogue” and everything to do with civility and manners.
 
Any civil person can sit down with one from another faith and have tea. That has nothing to do with “inter-religious dialogue” and everything to do with civility and manners.
It was a joke. Besides I think some here might need a lesson in civility and manners.
 
“Inter-religious diologue” usually is code for "Lets tell each other we’re all ok so as not to offend anybody.

But we’re all too sensitive. I respect someone more when they tell me I’m flat out wrong than I do if they tell me “well, you believe what you want to believe, whatever”.

While I definitally advocate stopping before the point of physical violence, I also definitally advocate not giving a darn whether or not other religions are ok with ours.
I agree completely.
 
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