I know - I’ve read that book. I own it, in fact. I think he makes great points, and I am delighted he is the present pope.
Do you not see a place for those who fully accept the authority of the Roman Pontiff and yet also are critical of the liturgy? As has been mentioned, our current Pope express expressed criticism while a Cardinal. Recently there have been public statements by Cardinal Ranjith (newliturgicalmovement.org/2011/12/cardinal-ranjith-time-has-come-powerful.html) and Bishop Athanasius Schneider (paixliturgique.org.uk/aff_lettre.asp?LET_N_ID=863) that express criticism.
yeah, but read my earlier posts. Constructive criticism is not what I was talking about. That is different from people who will not celebrate and will not attend the Novus Ordo or think it is the product of a conspiracy, is harmful to the soul, etc. I have read a stack of books on it by respectful and respectable people, as I have posted before.
Why MUST anyone attend the Novus Ordo when the Church allows for us not to, if we choose?
I have attended such Masses. I nevertheless have concerns regarding the OF.
Exactly. The obligation is to attend a Catholic liturgy, not the NO. I’ll always have a TLM available to me, and I’ll always pick that first. Failing that, I’d probably go to an Eastern Rite parish. And failing that, I’d go to the NO to fulfill my obligation.
This may be an indication that traditionalists should be exercising more self-control. We are responsible for our actions. Nobody forces us to write unacceptable posts.
As you probably both are aware, there were times and places where this was not the case. Some preferred (some still do) to attend illicitly celebrated rites rather than the OF.
I would estimate that 75-80% wouldn’t know the difference between the EF and OF if it were said in Latin and ad orientem. In a local parish back in 1975, there was an announced one-time Latin Mass with the church unusually packed. It wasn’t until later I realized it was a little different than the old missal I had.
I know what you mean. I prefer not to say “Latin” mass when I’m talking to friends because I want to encourage awareness that the NO can (and sometimes is) said in Latin.
I have been trying to understand your position by reading your other posts but it is still not clear to me. I avoid attending the OF whenever this is consistent with fulfilling my obligations. If I were to echo the criticisms of Bishop Schneider, would you find this problematic?
TLM works
If you have an FSSP, or other EF Mass, available, of course there’s no “must” about attending the Ordinary Form. I don’t think anyone cares about a preference for the EF. What we do care about is those who claim the OF is not valid, or cannot be celebrated reverently, etc.
How can the Latin OF EP1 not be valid when it’s almost exactly the same as the Canon of 1962?
I think he’s pretty cool, and agree with - as far as I recall - everything I have heard reported about what he has said.
Right - that’s the point. Some people still insist the NO is invalid in spite of this.
Sure, I have a strong preference for the TLM. But I also have concerns about the NO, including those voiced by our present Holy Father: namely that it is a banal, on-the-spot product that represents a break with tradition. I’m quite certain that I’m allowed to hold this view.
I accept both are valid.