What's the worst pro-abortion argument you've ever heard?

[KCT]

From one of the first girls I spoke w/ many years ago at a crisis pregnancy center, “I don’t think I could handle giving the baby up for adoption.”

 

[Soutane]

From one of the first girls I spoke w/ many years ago at a crisis pregnancy center, “I don’t think I could handle giving the baby up for adoption.”

That’s the worst.

 

[vera_dicere]

From one of the first girls I spoke w/ many years ago at a crisis pregnancy center, “I don’t think I could handle giving the baby up for adoption.”

Do people think this statement is based on a complete lack of, or refusal to, understand the concept of abortion? That it kills a child? Or is this just a focus on the emotional state of the woman and what she can or cannot handle?

I mean, what’s worse, giving a child to parents who will love her and the biological mother perhaps not knowing, or the mother knowing exactly where her child is. In the trash. Dead.

 

[elts1956]

I’m on the side of logic and common sense, and those two things will always win in the end. With that said, I believe it is illogical to say a fetus isn’t a human. In fact, I’ve heard awful arguments in support of it. What’s the worst you’ve ever heard?

The worst I’ve heard is “animals kill each other, so HA!”

“I can vote for a pro abortion candidate because I’m not really voting for abortion, I am voting because of another issue.”

 

[Soutane]

Camille Paglia a brilliant uber feninist university professor,author and social commentator and ultra atheist,said it best:.Read it and weep.Camille Paglia: abortion is murder

The following moronic comments describing Paglia’s article and reasoning are NOT yours Truly’s:

Just, “Wow!” Ms. Paglia and I have many points of common ground. I’ve admired her honesty and linear logic, even though I most certainly disagree with some of her views that are (as she says in this column) informed by her atheism.

Read the whole essay, when you can. But, for the moment, let’s look at the comments on the ethics of abortion.

Let’s take the issue of abortion rights, of which I am a firm supporter. As an atheist and libertarian, I believe that government must stay completely out of the sphere of personal choice. Every individual has an absolute right to control his or her body. (Hence I favor the legalization of drugs, though I do not take them.) Nevertheless, I have criticized the way that abortion became the obsessive idée fixe of the post-1960s women’s movement – leading to feminists’ McCarthyite tactics in pitting Anita Hill with her flimsy charges against conservative Clarence Thomas (admittedly not the most qualified candidate possible) during his nomination hearings for the Supreme Court. Similarly, Bill Clinton’s support for abortion rights gave him a free pass among leading feminists for his serial exploitation of women – an abusive pattern that would scream misogyny to any neutral observer.

But the pro-life position, whether or not it is based on religious orthodoxy, is more ethically highly evolved than my own tenet of unconstrained access to abortion on demand. My argument (as in my first book, “Sexual Personae,”) has always been that nature has a master plan pushing every species toward procreation and that it is our right and even obligation as rational human beings to defy nature’s fascism. Nature herself is a mass murderer, making casual, cruel experiments and condemning 10,000 to die so that one more fit will live and thrive.

Hence I have always frankly admitted that abortion is murder, the extermination of the powerless by the powerful. Liberals for the most part have shrunk from facing the ethical consequences of their embrace of abortion, which results in the annihilation of concrete individuals and not just clumps of insensate tissue. The state in my view has no authority whatever to intervene in the biological processes of any woman’s body, which nature has implanted there before birth and hence before that woman’s entrance into society and citizenship.

On the other hand, I support the death penalty for atrocious crimes (such as rape-murder or the murder of children). I have never understood the standard Democratic combo of support for abortion and yet opposition to the death penalty. Surely it is the guilty rather than the innocent who deserve execution?-abortion is murder but so what?

lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/2008/09/camille-paglia-abortion-is-murder.html

 

[RyanBlack]

One of the worst I’ve heard was told to me by my son’s godmother. She told me that shortly after Roe vs. Wade, some women, when asked to choose adoption rather than abortion, would respond, “But I just couldn’t bear to give up my child.”

 

[coolduude]

One of the worst I’ve heard was told to me by my son’s godmother. She told me that shortly after Roe vs. Wade, some women, when asked to choose adoption rather than abortion, would respond, “But I just couldn’t bear to give up my child.”

That’s just terrible. They couldn’t have been serious. I have a hard time believing that.

Anyway, the worst one I’ve heard would have to be ‘it’s a clump of cells’.

@ the ‘sentinent argument’ (it may be human, but its not self-aware)

I really don’t see how this will affect the argument that abortion is wrong. Sure, its not self aware (neither are we when we’re sleeping, right? ). But really, the fetus is human and that’s all that matters. When someone performs an abortion, they are putting to death another human- they are committing murder. That’s enough for me to be pro-life. I wish it was enough for our lawmakers

 

[RyanBlack]

That’s just terrible. They couldn’t have been serious. I have a hard time believing that.

Well, my son’s godmother has no reason to lie about that. When I told her how absurd the argument sounded, she was in complete agreement, and she said that virtually everyone recognized the absurdity of the argument, and finally, that the argument was not used for long because so many people quickly exposed its absurdity.

 

[JackVk]

the pro-abortion argument that bothers me the most is the cliche “right to choose”. The “right to choose” comes at the stage of whether or not to have sex. As a man, I respect the woman that has enought self-respect to say “no”. It’s that simple. If a man and a woman conceive out of wedlock, it’s time to grow up and take responsibility for your actions.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

One of the worst I’ve heard was told to me by my son’s godmother. She told me that shortly after Roe vs. Wade, some women, when asked to choose adoption rather than abortion, would respond, “But I just couldn’t bear to give up my child.”

I have heard that as well. It is sad when sidewalk counselors tell me they hear it.

“I know it’s alive…but I won’t be able to give away my baby.”

 

[Soutane]

I have heard that as well. It is sad when sidewalk counselors tell me they hear it.

“I know it’s alive…but I won’t be able to give away my baby.”

As if they own it in the first place,like a purse or a cat.Cats have more rights than the unborn do.Lookat the uproar when a kitten is tortured to death on the inet by sick cretins and people vow to find them and usually do.The"silent scream"should be mandatory viewing in every school.

 

[Claire_from_DE]

My brother who works in child protective services told me, in support of abortion, that some people shouldn’t have had children, that abortion would have been better. I felt like asking him which of the kids he works with would he have wanted to be killed before birth but I didn’t think of saying that until later.

One woman who was defending abortion to me in front of her 15 year old daughter said that she gave a child up for adoption and also had an abortion and the abortion was a lot easier to get over… This was the lady who had just said if her daughter got pregnant and refused to have an abortion she would throw her down the stairs.

 

[Claire_from_DE]

Oh, and there was the man outside of Planned Parenthood who had brought in his daughter for an abortion or else she and her boyfriend couldn’t live in his house anymore. Pregnant and homeless, what a choice to have to make.

He said his wife had had three abortions before they were ready to have children but that was OK because the soul from the aborted baby will hang around and go into the baby that’s going to be born. This was the man who walked up to us and announced that he was brought up Catholic.

I’ve only been going to the abortion clinic since early in Lent and most people don’t want to talk to us and even so I’ve heard some terrible excuses.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

Oh, and there was the man outside of Planned Parenthood who had brought in his daughter for an abortion or else she and her boyfriend couldn’t live in his house anymore. Pregnant and homeless, what a choice to have to make.

He said his wife had had three abortions before they were ready to have children but that was OK because the soul from the aborted baby will hang around and go into the baby that’s going to be born. This was the man who walked up to us and announced that he was brought up Catholic.

I’ve only been going to the abortion clinic since early in Lent and most people don’t want to talk to us and even so I’ve heard some terrible excuses.

I have heard that too, the idea that the baby will come back when it’s a better time…The Father of Lies is really busy these days.

 

[Ginkgo100]

What’s the worst you’ve ever heard?

I was once flabbergasted to hear a pro-choice man (and no surprise, Obama campaign volunteer), who explicitly and without compunction admitted that abortion is a form of murder, but that it’s a necessary evil to give women freedom of choice. I’m still speechless years later. He claimed to be a Christian of some happy liberal variety.

Robyn

 

[quiet52]

My brother who works in child protective services told me, in support of abortion, that some people shouldn’t have had children, that abortion would have been better. I felt like asking him which of the kids he works with would he have wanted to be killed before birth but I didn’t think of saying that until later.

One woman who was defending abortion to me in front of her 15 year old daughter said that she gave a child up for adoption and also had an abortion and the abortion was a lot easier to get over… This was the lady who had just said if her daughter got pregnant and refused to have an abortion she would throw her down the stairs.

ANY pro-abortion discussion in front of a child is “the worst.” Children are being taught that children are not valuable – and with this doctrination they become desensitized toward the value of human LIFE. They sometimes wonder if they truly “belong” here on earth – maybe they don’t deserve to be the ones allowed to be born. Some experience guilt because they lived, but their brothers and sisters weren’t allowed to live. They are taught not to look forward to having children of their own – that children are burdens and are to be avoided. Except of course if it’s convenient – and a baby is a commodity for the parent (an object to give something to the parent, rather than an object of love). All of which renders marriage and family a confusing, perhaps scary, concept to many children raised in a culture of death.

 

[tammy57]

What would you consider to be a “**good **pro-abortion argument”? There is no such thing? Then why ask about the worst? Aren’t they all equally unacceptable to you?

tammy57

 

[Ginkgo100]

What would you consider to be a “**good **pro-abortion argument”? There is no such thing? Then why ask about the worst? Aren’t they all equally unacceptable to you?

tammy57

Well, maybe an argument in favor of abortion to save the mother’s life could be “good.” Mistaken, but at least motivated by a desire for good.

 

[coolduude]

Well, maybe an argument in favor of abortion to save the mother’s life could be “good.” Mistaken, but at least motivated by a desire for good.

I’ve heard it said that the only time a Catholic can get an abortion is when the fertilized zygot lodges itself in the woman’s tube. Then she can get an abortion because if she didn’t she’d die (the baby would too).

 

[Marc_Anthony]

I’ve heard it said that the only time a Catholic can get an abortion is when the fertilized zygot lodges itself in the woman’s tube. Then she can get an abortion because if she didn’t she’d die (the baby would too).

That’s considered an indirect abortion and is an extremely complex medical issue.

ALL direct abortions are not allowed.