What's up with Southern Baptists?

[4Squarebaby]

Arrived at what exactly?

The point were race and ethnicity does not matter.

 

[Calgar]

The point were race and ethnicity does not matter.

So you’re saying the only reason that a predominately white church doesn’t have a black minister is because they’re racist?

And all it takes is one predominately white church to have a black minister to prove that the world no longer cares about race and ethnicity?

I’m sorry. I lol’d.

 

[4Squarebaby]

So you’re saying the only reason that a predominately white church doesn’t have a black minister is because they’re racist?

And all it takes is one predominately white church to have a black minister to prove that the world no longer cares about race and ethnicity?

I’m sorry. I lol’d.

Not one, but when it does cease to be a factor for a majority of church goers we win. And we will only know it ceases to be a factor when it is a common sight, when say 10% of the senior pastor’s of predominantly White churches are Black.

 

[ltwin]

Not one, but when it does cease to be a factor for a majority of church goers we win. And we will only know it ceases to be a factor when it is a common sight, when say 10% of the senior pastor’s of predominantly White churches are Black.

Well if we are using that measure, then we would also need to see 10% of black churches with white pastors.

Better yet, why don’t we all just come together as one. That will never happen, and it goes beyond race. Christians get together and they can’t even agree on how to change a light bulb.

 

[4Squarebaby]

Well if we are using that measure, then we would also need to see 10% of black churches with white pastors.

Better yet, why don’t we all just come together as one. That will never happen, and it goes beyond race. Christians get together and they can’t even agree on how to change a light bulb.

I do think that 10% of churches that have a greater Black percentage congregants then the population of their local communities do have White pastors, at least the big ones on TV do.

 

[Calgar]

Not one, but when it does cease to be a factor for a majority of church goers we win. And we will only know it ceases to be a factor when it is a common sight, when say 10% of the senior pastor’s of predominantly White churches are Black.

I kind of understand what you’re getting at, but I don’t think it will happen the way you are mentioning.

I mean, if an area is mostly black the chances of a white minister are slim. Not because the members are racist, but because there just aren’t any white ministers in the area.

 

[ltwin]

I kind of understand what you’re getting at, but I don’t think it will happen the way you are mentioning.

I mean, if an area is mostly black the chances of a white minister are slim. Not because the members are racist, but because there just aren’t any white ministers in the area.

Not to mention that there might not be any (or very few) white ministers in that denomination if we consider an historically black church.

 

[Calgar]

Not to mention that there might not be any (or very few) white ministers in that denomination if we consider an historically black church.

Well, yeah. There’s always the African Union First Colored Methodist Protestant Church and Connection.

Now that’s a long name.

 

[Hboggs]

Having grown up as a Southern Baptist and still living in the deep deep south, I can tell you that you will maybe be a church here and there that have a few blacks in them; however, 99.99% are totally white. As one writer stated correctly, the “independent” baptist churches are probably 99.99999% white. Yes, this also applies to most of the other protestant and evangelical churches also.

Remember, they don’t have “tradition”, they only do things the same way as they have always done!

In fairness, there is significant differences in the form of worship between the white and black protestant churches and neither particular wants to worship in the form of the other. Not and excuse, but just the way it is.

blessings to all.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Having grown up as a Southern Baptist and still living in the deep deep south, I can tell you that you will maybe be a church here and there that have a few blacks in them; however, 99.99% are totally white. As one writer stated correctly, the “independent” baptist churches are probably 99.99999% white. Yes, this also applies to most of the other protestant and evangelical churches also.

Remember, they don’t have “tradition”, they only do things the same way as they have always done!

In fairness, there is significant differences in the form of worship between the white and black protestant churches and neither particular wants to worship in the form of the other. Not and excuse, but just the way it is.

blessings to all.

So what does Jimmy Swaggart do, focus the camera on the Blacks and Latinos to make it just looked mixed?

 

[4Squarebaby]

So what does Jimmy Swaggart do, focus the camera on the Blacks and Latinos to make it just looked mixed?

I can’t speak to him specifically but anything over 25% Black in an Louisiana audience says he is drawing about the percentage of the population. I did read recently of a White person visiting one of the megachurches head by a Black pastor and he said the ushers did herd them to special seats.

 

[ltwin]

Having grown up as a Southern Baptist and still living in the deep deep south, I can tell you that you will maybe be a church here and there that have a few blacks in them; however, 99.99% are totally white. As one writer stated correctly, the “independent” baptist churches are probably 99.99999% white. Yes, this also applies to most of the other protestant and evangelical churches also.

Remember, they don’t have “tradition”, they only do things the same way as they have always done!

In fairness, there is significant differences in the form of worship between the white and black protestant churches and neither particular wants to worship in the form of the other. Not and excuse, but just the way it is.

blessings to all.

Yeah, churches that have historically been white are still largely white. Churches that have been historically black are still largely black. However, you are starting to see more whites worshipping in black congregations and vice versa.

 

[Calgar]

Yeah, churches that have historically been white are still largely white. Churches that have been historically black are still largely black. However, you are starting to see more whites worshipping in black congregations and vice versa.

I just want to point out that 20% of the SBC in the USA is black.

 

[BillB2]

Blacks and Whites look at church differently.

In the South, at least, Black churches are political centers as much as religious centers.
This is the reason that so many Black political activists have “Reverend” in front of their names.

For Whites, church is a place to worship. Rarely does politics enter the mix.

 

[ltwin]

I just want to point out that 20% of the SBC in the USA is black.

Yes, but (at least from my experience) local churches will usually be predominantly one race. All churches are not like that. Mine isn’t. But its rare to see a local church that is split down the middle racially speaking–at least where I live.

 

[ltwin]

Blacks and Whites look at church differently.

In the South, at least, Black churches are political centers as much as religious centers.
This is the reason that so many Black political activists have “Reverend” in front of their names.

For Whites, church is a place to worship. Rarely does politics enter the mix.

Hmm, I don’t know about that. To me, the Episcopal Church (which is as lily white as they come) is extremely involved in left-leaning politics; it is practically the Democratic Party at prayer these days. In addition, there are plenty of white evangelical churches involved with the religious right.

 

[Calgar]

Yes, but (at least from my experience) local churches will usually be predominantly one race. All churches are not like that. Mine isn’t. But its rare to see a local church that is split down the middle racially speaking–at least where I live.

Well considering that the make up of races in the U.S.A. isn’t 50/50 I don’t see how it could ever be “split down the middle”.

According to the 2007 census less that 14% of America is black (African decent). The same census puts whites(this includes hispanics) at being over 80% of the population.

 

[Anna_Scott]

Hmm, I don’t know about that. To me, the Episcopal Church (which is as lily white as they come) is extremely involved in left-leaning politics; it is practically the Democratic Party at prayer these days. In addition, there are plenty of white evangelical churches involved with the religious right.

ltwin,

Please don’t make sweeping statements about The Episcopal Church. We are not all “involved in left-leaning politics” or “practically the Democratic Party at prayer.” And—we have African Americans in our Parish. We are not “lily white” (which is a rather derogatory term btw.)

Anna

 

[JustaServant]

ltwin,

Please don’t make sweeping statements about The Episcopal Church. We are not all “involved in left-leaning politics” or “practically the Democratic Party at prayer.” And—we have African Americans in our Parish. We are not “lily white” (which is a rather derogatory term btw.)

Anna

Agreed. Many parts of the Episcopal church are very conservative and are involved very heavily in the pro-life movement.

 

[ltwin]

ltwin,

Please don’t make sweeping statements about The Episcopal Church. We are not all “involved in left-leaning politics” or “practically the Democratic Party at prayer.” And—we have African Americans in our Parish. We are not “lily white” (which is a rather derogatory term btw.)

Anna

I did not mean to offend any Episcopalians. I am aware that there are many theologically orthodox in TEC. I’m a fan of your bishop of South Carolina, Mark Lawrence. That being said, over all, the Episcopal Church is left leaning and many churches do pursue left leaning agendas. General Convention, the Presiding Bishop, and 815 continually engage in liberal agendas. Add the fact that many of the orthodox dioceses have left TEC to form other Anglican churches. And while every single person is not white in TEC, for all its talk of diversity, TEC is not very ethnically diverse within the domestic dioceses.