What's wrong with this?

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I have a question/problem…

Fox news put out a video report on Bishop Williamson’s interview on the holocaust. It was certainly not the proper thing to go on about, I mean the good bishop ought to have well known that his comments would do nothing more than incite pain and confusion. It did noting in his service. But why are we so SENSITIVE?

Everyone is running around apologizing like mad! “It’s shameful that HH would pardon such a man” What? Who cares??? Isn’t he allowed his personal opinions however “out there” they may be?

Fox went on on how we offend thousands of Jews in our once a year prayer for their conversion… John Paul II apologized for the sins against the Jews… We have severely wronged them!

I’m certain it’s sinful/despicable/ruthless/insensitive whatever, but I really don’t care what the Jews or anyone else thinks of us. Really I don’t, especially when it becomes outrageous for our praying for their conversion!

Is it wrong to pray that all men become more fully united to God the Father through his Son and the Church He founded? Is it wrong for us to pray that God’s chosen people accept the gift of the Father, their messiah, their God?

Why are we obsessed with what the Jews think of us? Is our ecumenism becoming more of a cost to truth? If we have to shut up and stop praying for conversion in respect to others’ feelings and a sense of ecumenism, then personally I don’t want much to do with it! The good bishop was wrong to say what he did, it just wasn’t right in light of the pain those people had to endure. Regardless of there being gas chambers or not, it’s not something you poke at. But I think the hullaballu it caused brings about a bigger question… are we really doing the right thing by playing into the whims and feelings of men? Is our ecumenism simply an expression of our desire to be the life of the party and an abandonment of our truths?

If Christ Jesus really is the Son of God, then I want nothing more than every single man woman and child to know that and be united with him in the one true Church! I would want all those separate from Him to be united, to cast off the lies, to shake off false and incomplete ideas of God. Especially those who firmly believe the contrary in the light of Truth. (Now wouldn’t it be offensive to preach that to the world… including the Jews of course) I think not, and if it is I don’t care, the truth hurts sometimes.
 
i have not seen the video. i have no idea about what has been said by the Bishop.
 
As I stated in the thread on the lifting of the excommunications, and others have stated, the whole Williamson thing is simply a distraction, and just another excuse seized upon by the media to attack the Church. If the SSPX is regularized, Williamson will likely not “come home” with them, and will probably join another schismatic, or even sedevacantist, group. As such, he should not be considered a major factor, though we should, of course, pray for him.
 
Sensitivity arises from a number of areas. First, the obvious point would be that it is only by remembering real events that we can commemorate them if they are good, or avoid them if they are bad. Denial of the Holocaust is denial of a realty that has been testified to by American soldier who liberated the Nazi death camps and by the survivors of those camps. To deny that is to call these people liars. There is also the issue of supporting anti-Semitism by the denial of these events.

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Sensitivity arises from a number of areas. First, the obvious point would be that it is only by remembering real events that we can commemorate them if they are good, or avoid them if they are bad. Denial of the Holocaust is denial of a realty that has been testified to by American soldier who liberated the Nazi death camps and by the survivors of those camps. To deny that is to call these people liars. There is also the issue of supporting anti-Semitism by the denial of these events.

Deacon Ed
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What is interesting is that if someone questions a particular point of the holcaust (which is is ILLEGAL to do in some countries), they are said to “deny the holocaust”. Questioning this or that claim is not a denial that the holocaust occurred.

Archbishop Lefebvre’s father was killed in the holocuast, for heavens sake. Obviously Bishop Williamson doesn’t deny th holocaust.

Think about this: A person can deny that Jesus existed, or that there is a God at all and no one cares; but if you dare to question any aspect of the holocaust you are labeled a crack-pot.

Also, why in the world would it be forbidden, and ILLEGAL to question certain claim about the holocaust? What are they trying to hide?

And why don’t we ever here about the 100 million gentiles that were killed by the communists? Or about the Catholics who were killed in the German holocaust?

The Jews have used the holocaust to turn public opinion in their favor to such an extent that any disagreement with what they do is labeled “antisemetic”. This enables to do accomplish anythng they please with absolutely no obstacles in their way. Anyone who voices a concern is immediatley labeled an “antisemite” and is relegated to the kook fringe.
 
Most of my previous post was to me a heated rant. (frustration can do that sometimes) Now with a much clearer head, I was to redirect the thread to this:

The Jewish community threatened (at least according to Fox news) that the lifting of the excommunications would severely detriment Catholic Jewish relations. They made a similar fuss when summorum pontificum came out because of the prayer for their conversion.

My problem is this: Are we really fulfilling our Christian duty to convert souls to Christ in our relations with the Jews and Muslims and Buddhists and Protestants? The world is so severely taken aback at an offense to the other. Who cares if the Jews cut off their relations with us? It’s not like we were actively converting them anyway… it’s offensive after all to even pray for it!

It all reminds me of Bishop Fellay’s symbol of the train station.

Ps. I don’t deny the holocaust, nor do I believe the good bishop had any right to speak on such matters. It was totally and completely wrong an inappropriate, I think we are all in agreement on that.
 
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Most of my previous post was to me a heated rant. (frustration can do that sometimes) Now with a much clearer head, I was to redirect the thread to this:

The Jewish community threatened (at least according to Fox news) that the lifting of the excommunications would severely detriment Catholic Jewish relations. They made a similar fuss when summorum pontificum came out because of the prayer for their conversion.

My problem is this: Are we really fulfilling our Christian duty to convert souls to Christ in our relations with the Jews and Muslims and Buddhists and Protestants? The world is so severely taken aback at an offense to the other. Who cares if the Jews cut off their relations with us? It’s not like we were actively converting them anyway… it’s offensive after all to even pray for it!

It all reminds me of Bishop Fellay’s symbol of the train station.

Ps. I don’t deny the holocaust, nor do I believe the good bishop had any right to speak on such matters. It was totally and completely wrong an inappropriate, I think we are all in agreement on that.
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the bad thing about all this it seems to me that all this thing of bringing people together has greatly divide us Catholics it has truly wounded the Church. and it continues to do so because the people in the Church rather please the world than follow the ways of our Fathers. it has been such a sad times for the Church. the Church is terribly wounded by division and scandals. and just how in the world are we to bring people into the Church when the Mass sometimes is an embarassment?

Holy Mother of God, Thou art glorious and Servant of God pray for us.
 
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