What's your opinion on Orthodoxy?

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Credo_ergo_sum said:
“And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water. But if you have no living water, baptize into other water; and if you cannot do so in cold water, do so in warm. But if you have neither, pour out water three times upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit”

It’s really the last option, and only allowed when it is lacking in the other areas. It doesn’t mean sprinkling is invalid, it just means that it is less desirable than baptising in living water.
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Yes, and similarly with baptizing in a font. But I don;t think that these usages represent “economy” .
 
ImmaculataFides said:
The “orthodox churches” are not part of the Church of Christ, cut off by schism.

"Let, then, all those who strive to defend the cause of unity go forth; let them go forth wearing the helmet of faith, holding to the anchor of hope, and inflamed with the fire of charity, to work unceasingly in this most heavenly enterprise; and God, the author and lover of peace, will hasten the day when the nations of the East shall return to Catholic unity, and, united to the Apostolic See, after casting away their errors, shall enter the port of everlasting salvation.”- Saint Pope Pius X in his 1910 encyclical letter Ex Quo on the reunion of the Eastern churches.
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Which Early Church Fathers taught that being in communion with the “Apostolic See [of Rome]” was synonymous with being in communion with the Church founded by Christ?
 
Trebor135 said:
Which Early Church Fathers taught that being in communion with the “Apostolic See [of Rome]” was synonymous with being in communion with the Church founded by Christ?
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St. Jerome. I think you know the quote so I won’t bother posting it here.
 
TEPO said:
I agree, Tradition can be preserved by any orthodox Christian,
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but the Living Magesterium cannot.
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How would you define the “Living Magisterium”?
Like Peter, who holds the keys, there must always be an appointed key holder should God decide to offer the Church some new revelation.
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Doesn’t the Catholic Church teach that public revelation ended with the death of the last apostle? :o
If you look at the history of the Church, the Traditions didn’t all come at once…
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What parts of the faith (about which Catholics and Orthodox are in accord) came later?
And although the Church has the fullness of truth according to what God has selected to offer us, we do not posess the absolute fullness of all truth.
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True even of the Orthodox Church.
Who knows what else God may choose to show us -this is why the Church can never exist without a Pope until Jesus comes again.
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What new truth has “God [chosen] to show us” in particular?
 
Credo_ergo_sum said:
St. Jerome. I think you know the quote so I won’t bother posting it here.
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I’m pretty sure we’re thinking of the same one or two quotes. 🙂

In order to demonstrate that the modern-day Catholic papacy has been believed in “always, everywhere, and by all”, however, one must produce the testimony of far more than one single Father in support.
 
Trebor135 said:
I’m pretty sure we’re thinking of the same one or two quotes. 🙂

In order to demonstrate that the modern-day Catholic papacy has been believed in “always, everywhere, and by all”, however, one must produce the testimony of far more than one single Father in support.
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That seems fair. But let’s not make this a quote war. Especially not in this subforum where tensions are always high. I’ve been careful not to post the quote to prevent such quote wars from happening.
 
ComeHome2Rome said:
Because everyone’s schedule differs and with more than one daily Mass available it allows a chance for everyone to attend.

For mothers like me who work fulltime & have children from infant to teen - attending Mass in the AM is impossible the vast majority of the time, but I’m usually able to attend the 7:30 PM Masses and still manage to attend to all of my work related & household related responsibilities as well as meeting the needs of my children. I don’t know about anybody else, but I need the Eucharist to make it through! 👍

And then what about nurses & doctors who must work a Sunday morning shift…they’re work is a necessity for the lives of others who depend on them, but if Sunday morning is the only time Mass is offered, then they have no hope to receive the Eucharist 😦 sad!
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That’s good because Latin Rite Church is 40 minutes long from my home and I’m trying my best to attend Mass at least 1-2 time(s) a week.
 
Trebor135 said:
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How would you define the “Living Magisterium”?
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The Living Magesterium could be described as the doorway between heaven and earth, in which only the Pope possesses the keys to. Its the Church’s reservation for the Holy Spirits position as the “Counselor” that Jesus promised.
Trebor135 said:
Doesn’t the Catholic Church teach that public revelation ended with the death of the last apostle? :o
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No. Only in regards to our salvific obligations can there be no further revelation, because things such as the Sacraments have already been established, but there is no reason to believe that the Holy Spirit will not reveal more truths in order to steer the Church away from the impeding “gates of hell”. The Church therefore cannot ever remove the Papal position.
Trebor135 said:
What parts of the faith (about which Catholics and Orthodox are in accord) came later?
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Sorry, I’m not knowledgable enough about the Orthodox to answer that.
Trebor135 said:
What new truth has “God [chosen] to show us” in particular?
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The second Vatican Counsel was based ENTIRELY on the doctrine of Ecumenism, which is believed to have an eschatological dynamic to it… It is referred to by some as the “Second Pentecost”, because it’s purpose is to both USE the Living Magesterium to reunite the Orthodox, Lutherans, Anglicans, etc., while at the same time serves to SAVE the Living Magesterium with the Holy Church…

This is what God has shown us. It must happen. We’ve made huge sacrifices for this.
 
The Indian Orthodox? Russian ect. ? Same church as Rome if you ask me, but my Indian friend tells me its not.
I personally don’t see any difference.
 
Quite frankly, I think Everything has been put “on the line” for reuniting the Churches. If the Spirit cannot do it, then Jesus may have to do it.

The second Vatican counsel has caused a rift in our Church, but it was all done on the behalf of the Other Christian Churches. We’ve sacrificed a lot.:o
 
TEPO said:
The Living Magesterium could be described as the doorway between heaven and earth, in which only the Pope possesses the keys to. Its the Church’s reservation for the Holy Spirits position as the “Counselor” that Jesus promised.

No. Only in regards to our salvific obligations can there be no further revelation, because things such as the Sacraments have already been established, but there is no reason to believe that the Holy Spirit will not reveal more truths in order to steer the Church away from the impeding “gates of hell”. The Church therefore cannot ever remove the Papal position because in doing so would be to decapitate the Church.

Sorry, I’m not knowledgable enough about the Orthodox to answer that.

The second Vatican Counsel was based ENTIRELY on the doctrine of Ecumenism, which is believed to have an eschatological dynamic to it… It is referred to by some as the “Second Pentecost”, because it’s purpose is to both USE the Living Magesterium to reunite the Orthodox, Lutherans, Anglicans, etc., while at the same time serves to SAVE the Living Magesterium with the Holy Church…

This is what God has shown us. It must happen. We’ve made huge sacrifices for this.
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Unfortunately VII ecumenism, instead of reuniting all in one profession of the same orthodox Faith, has made the modern Catholic Church appear more Protestant in thought and worship, IMHO.
 
TEPO said:
Quite frankly, I think Everything has been put “on the line” for reuniting the Churches. If the Spirit cannot do it, then Jesus may have to do it.

The second Vatican counsel has caused a rift in our Church, but it was all done on the behalf of the Other Christian Churches. We’ve sacrificed a lot.:o
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Vatican II may have moderated the official opinion of the Catholic Church toward other churches, but it certainly didn’t do much to heal the break.
 
jam070406 said:
Unfortunately VII ecumenism, instead of reuniting all in one profession of the same orthodox Faith, has made the modern Catholic Church appear more Protestant in thought and worship, IMHO.
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There’s no other hope for uniting then, with 100,000 competing truths. The Church will remain broken then until Jesus comes again. This is contrary to the Pentecost and the role of the Holy Spirit.
 
Trebor135 said:
Isn’t that what fundamentalist megachurch pastors say, rather than informed Catholic laypeople? :confused:
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I don’t follow their teaching closely [what fundamentalist megachurch pastors say], I’m thinking Catherine of Siena here.
 
Nine_Two said:
Vatican II may have moderated the official opinion of the Catholic Church toward other churches, but it certainly didn’t do much to heal the break.
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Well, it certainly created an environment that (i) led to the lifting of the mutual anathemas and (ii) began an extended period of formal dialogue between the Catholic and Orthodox Churches. Whether or not such has borne sufficient fruit as to be deemed “substantive” is certainly open to debate, but it does seem that a level of intellectual honesty would have to lead one to conclude and acknowledge, looking over the subsequent 50 years, that the ecumenical dialogue has been far more extensive and certainly more deliberate that in past attempts at reconciliation. It was also done absent politcal considerations and motives, as had been the case in prior attempts.
 
I have little hope that the Orthodox and Catholic Churches will be reunited within my lifetime, and I’m not that old.
 
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