What's your opinion on Orthodoxy?

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I’ve heard that Eucharistic Adoration only began approximately 100 years ago in our Catholic Church, is that true? If so, why didn’t we worship Jesus in the Eucharist before then?:confused:
Well, technically don’t we worship Jesus in the eucharist at every mass? I just think that Eucharist Adoration is another expression of worshipping Jesus.
 
Why not?

I’ve heard that Eucharistic Adoration only began approximately 100 years ago in our Catholic Church, is that true? If so, why didn’t we worship Jesus in the Eucharist before then?:confused:
I plead ignorance here. Luther wrote at length about Eucharistic Adoration, generally in favor of it, except for Corpus Christi processions. Where does the 100 years ago date come from?

Jon
 
I plead ignorance here. Luther wrote at length about Eucharistic Adoration, generally in favor of it, except for Corpus Christi processions. Where does the 100 years ago date come from?

Jon
I believe it goes as far back as the 13th century and started because the Cathars denied the Real Presence.
 
Page 100-101 of Dialogues she expands on this Michael with Baptism in all its forms. This also coincides with the CCC in one of it paragraphs on Baptism. While the CCC doesn’t expand in depth she does in her conversation through God the Father.

No its not of question on the Councils or early church being of issue. It only sheds light on the sprinkling of water. I thought it was profound in that while the CCC is vague, she elaborates very well on Christ on the Cross and the final act of the spear piercing His heart thus Water and Blood.

Shes an intersting read in that the entire Dialogue is with God the Father, so many issues come up such as worship to God the Father thus bypassing that which He specifically chose to establish with Jesus etc. Not a flowery read at all. straight foward from the perpsective of God the Father. No East-West division. No Marian talk, straight worship of Jesus Christ etc.

Not sure how the entire conversation came up. But no I don’t see her work as justification since without doubt that would cast doubt on the validity of her as a visionary. She lived a Blessed life for sure and from a very early age.

There are other accounts of her visions from childhood which tend to be more Catholic orientated though. This isn’t one.
She is also one of the few female saints who is a doctor of the church (the other two being St. Teresa of Avila and St. Therese of Lisieux).
 
Maybe I’m not understanding your definition of revelation, but how can you say that there can be no new truths or changes to the faith, as time progresses?
The way we understand and live the faith can develop, and additional elements of the deposit of faith can be declared dogma by the Magisterium, but the public revelation of Jesus Christ to the world - ending with the death of the last Apostle - is the fullness of God’s revelation.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church says the following in paragraph 66:

There will be no further Revelation

"The Christian economy, therefore, since it is the new and definitive Covenant, will never pass away; and no new public revelation is to be expected before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ." Yet even if Revelation is already complete, it has not been made completely explicit; it remains for Christian faith gradually to grasp its full significance over the course of the centuries.


Paragraph 67 goes on to acknowledge that private revelation can happen - and almost certainly has - but that this can never be binding upon the faithful as part of the deposit of faith.
Isn’t cannon law a Catholic doctrine that comes from the Holy Spirit that works directly through the Magesterium -post Apostolic age?
Canon law is a body of laws and regulations that the Church has adopted. Authoritative? Yes. But no, not a part of divine revelation. Saying that canon law is doctrine doesn’t even make sense. Doctrine is what we believe, what we profess. Canon law is a set of rules.
Surely we don’t believe that the Magesterium just simply tweak teachings out of their own worldly imaginations.
Of course not. The teaching authority of the Church is certainly guided by the Holy Spirit. But the Magisterium can never proclaim that new revelation has been added to the orthodox Christian faith.
Honestly, I’d like to draw similarities between the Orthodox and Catholic Churches too, but I’m not interested in ‘cover-ups’… I believe in being honest, not that I think you aren’t, but if the Spirit does not work through the Magesterium, then I should convert to Orthodox.
As I have proven through citations to the Church’s official catechism, my comments are accurate, and I am being honest.

The Spirit does work through the Magisterium. But the Spirit doesn’t bestow upon the Church new revelation. Publicly binding divine revelation - the faith of the Church - was given to us whole and complete by the time the last Apostle died.
The Catholic Church’s stance on revelation is that there can be NO New Public Revelation after Jesus Christ’s Ascension.
That’s not exactly accurate. The New Testament wasn’t even written until well after Christ’s Ascension. Revelation ended with the death of the last Apostle.
I’ve heard that Eucharistic Adoration only began approximately 100 years ago in our Catholic Church, is that true? If so, why didn’t we worship Jesus in the Eucharist before then?:confused:
It’s much older than that; the practice began approximately 1000 years ago. While widespread in the West, it never developed in the East, so it’s only a part of Latin Christianity, not Byzantine Christianity.
Thanks…:cool:
This I’ve been replaying the post I quoted over and over in my mind last night and all day today. I’m really not interested at all in pandering our beliefs towards some agenda. I’m into honest truth. Otherwise, for me, everything comes to a screeching hault.
I’m not into “pandering our beliefs towards some agenda,” either. You were just incorrect about the notion of new public revelation.
 
I plead ignorance here. Luther wrote at length about Eucharistic Adoration, generally in favor of it, except for Corpus Christi processions. Where does the 100 years ago date come from?

Jon
Jon, I don’t remember. I may be confusing the time frame with when daily Masses started not Eucharistic Adoration? I thought it was Adoration that was new?
 
I have a lot of admiration for Orthodoxy, might become one myself. I find their take on birth control, and confession to be a lot more Biblically based than the RCC opinion, personally, no offense meant, just opinion given.
 
If union is what the average Roman Catholic visualizes unity to be, then yes. That’s exactly why we reject that sort of union though. We aren’t looking to become Sui juris churches under the Pope.
Not sure what Sui juris means, but doesn’t union mean that the Orthodox would be under the Pope again?
 
Well, technically don’t we worship Jesus in the eucharist at every mass? I just think that Eucharist Adoration is another expression of worshipping Jesus.
In the Mass, we worship Him by eating Him. We don’t eat Him in Adoration Chapel.
 
Not sure what Sui juris means, but doesn’t union mean that the Orthodox would be under the Pope again?
No, actually. It can be rather technical and does tend to get confusing …

It means that the Metropolia of Rome would become Orthodox again.

:ballspin:
 
I have a lot of admiration for Orthodoxy, might become one myself. I find their take on birth control, and confession to be a lot more Biblically based than the RCC opinion, personally, no offense meant, just opinion given.
I’m not really sure how our take on confession differs from Catholics.
 
I have a lot of admiration for Orthodoxy, might become one myself. I find their take on birth control, and confession to be a lot more Biblically based than the RCC opinion, personally, no offense meant, just opinion given.
It’s important to bear in mind that, while the Protestant (especially Evangelical) paradigm is to derive Christian truth from Scripture, the Orthodox and Catholic paradigm is to find Christian truth reflected in Scripture.

To echo Nine_Two, how is the Orthodox view of confession better than the Catholic one?
 
I have a lot of admiration for Orthodoxy, might become one myself. I find their take on birth control, and confession to be a lot more Biblically based than the RCC opinion, personally, no offense meant, just opinion given.
If you indeed decide to continue on a journey toward Orthodoxy, or any other form of the True Faith for that matter, it would be wise to take time to come to a deeper understanding of the teachings and doctrines, especially if your decision is being driven by response to social issues. For example, while the Orthodox position on birth control may not be as absolute (or, dogmatic) as the Catholic position, per se, make no mistake that the Orthodox do not by any means have a liberal position on the subject. Rather, it must be understood in the context of Orthodox thought, in a broader sense.

This is a very thoughtful article on the subject, characteristically offered in the broader context of the sacrament of marriage, authored by an Orthodox priest: The Orthodox Christian Marriage.
 
No, actually. It can be rather technical and does tend to get confusing …

It means that the Metropolia of Rome would become Orthodox again.

:ballspin:
Catholics already think he’s Orthodox. What would convince the Orthodox that the Pope is Orthodox?
 
Catholics already think he’s Orthodox. What would convince the Orthodox that the Pope is Orthodox?
Different laymen have different opinions on that, the whole purpose of dialogue is to sort that out on an official level.😉
 
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