What's your opinion on Orthodoxy?

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ConstantineTG said:
I don’t think there is an amount of explanatio that will satisfy the Orthodox. If the belief in the primacy of the Pope of Rome is a dogma, no matter what the explanation is they will not accept that. From what I have learned about the development of ecclessiology in the East, the Papacy as it is today is fully acceptable to the Orthodox. Provided the agree to it AND it is not a dogma. The very fact it is dogma is an admission that such a belief which from their history and tradition did not exist in the First Millennium. They can accept developments in ecclesiology because their present ecclessiology is indeed a development. But it is not a dogma.
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I thought it was an infallible teaching that the Pope is infallible when speaking ex cathedra and that he has universal jurisdiction? Vatican I did make infallible teachings, did it not?
In fact, according to canon law:
Canon 1371
The following are to be punished with a just penalty:
1° a person who, apart from the case mentioned in canon 1364 § 1, teaches a doctrine condemned by the Roman Pontiff, or by an Ecumenical Council, or obstinately rejects the teachings mentioned in canon 750 § 2 or in canon 752 and, when warned by the Apostolic See or by the Ordinary, does not retract;
2° a person who in any other way does not obey the lawful command or prohibition of the Apostolic See or the Ordinary or Superior and, after being warned, persists in disobedience.
 
What about the Fatima?
That was a message for both orthodox and catholics…
The Church has one chief, The Pope.
 
from catholic encyclopedia(newadvent.org): under letter P:
“Pope, The - The bishop of Rome, successor of St. Peter, chief of the whole Church, and the Vicar of Christ on earth”
And following the link:
…"The title pope, once used with far greater latitude (see below, section V), is at present employed solely to denote the Bishop of Rome, who, in virtue of his position as successor of St. Peter, is the chief pastor of the whole Church, the Vicar of Christ upon earth. "…

The Pope believed it… Now help me with this: there are Catholics, which doesn’t believe this revelation but take seriously the consecration of Russia by The Pope? Isn’t there some sort of conflict?
 
I have the feeling that there are Catholics who believe Fatima but don’t take seriously the consecration…
 
Ion said:
from catholic encyclopedia(newadvent.org): under letter P:
“Pope, The - The bishop of Rome, successor of St. Peter, chief of the whole Church, and the Vicar of Christ on earth”
And following the link:
…"The title pope, once used with far greater latitude (see below, section V), is at present employed solely to denote the Bishop of Rome, who, in virtue of his position as successor of St. Peter, is the chief pastor of the whole Church, the Vicar of Christ upon earth. "…

The Pope believed it… Now help me with this: there are Catholics, which doesn’t believe this revelation but take seriously the consecration of Russia by The Pope? Isn’t there some sort of conflict?
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What conflict?
 
People follow The Pope based on faith. The Pope is infallible. The Pope had to overcome the conflict of declaring sacred Russia for which in matter of faith there was an anathema from RC.
He did an excellent job, later on cancelling the anathemas on eastern orthodoxy.
 
Ion said:
People follow The Pope based on faith. The Pope is infallible. The Pope had to overcome the conflict of declaring sacred Russia for which in matter of faith there was an anathema from RC.
He did an excellent job, later on cancelling the anathemas on eastern orthodoxy.
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But the excommunications of 1054 were between individual hierarches, not all the clergy and laity of East and West.

Also, if I may ask, what do you mean by “Orthodox and Catholic” in your “Religion” field?
 
Trebor135 said:
Also, if I may ask, what do you mean by “Orthodox and Catholic” in your “Religion” field?
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I am baptized orthodox, and I think that everybody should consider The Holy Rosary, as it was given by The Holy Virgin Mary. Orthodoxy should take advantage of The Magisterium and not debate agains it, also RC should have the same attitude toward Orthodoxy. The debates didn’t bring any sound result in a thousand of years.
Maybe there are people working on this and we just don’t know…
 
Ion said:
I am baptized orthodox, and I think that everybody should consider The Holy Rosary, as it was given by The Holy Virgin Mary. Orthodoxy should take advantage of The Magisterium and not debate agains it, also RC should have the same attitude toward Orthodoxy. The debates didn’t bring any sound result in a thousand of years.
Maybe there are people working on this and we just don’t know…
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People are working on it but unfortunately the Catholic Church has done some things in the last 200 years that would have probably made the schism permanent.
 
Ion said:
I have the feeling that there are Catholics who believe Fatima but don’t take seriously the consecration…
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I believe Fatima. What do you mean “take seriously the consecration”? What does it have to do with the doctrine of the Papacy? Also, the Pope can be “chief” depending on what you mean by the term. In African societies which are mostly councillior in nature (ruled by a council of elders) a chief is not that big a deal. If you mean by it, a “Lord”, Master or King, then no- He’s no chief. If you mean it in the manner that Africans do, then he’s an excellent chief! 😉
 
I suggest some people here would benefit from googling “The Fourth Crusade” and spending a good few hours researching it.
 
Marybeloved said:
I believe Fatima. What do you mean “take seriously the consecration”? What does it have to do with the doctrine of the Papacy? Also, the Pope can be “chief” depending on what you mean by the term. In African societies which are mostly councillior in nature (ruled by a council of elders) a chief is not that big a deal. If you mean by it, a “Lord”, Master or King, then no- He’s no chief. If you mean it in the manner that Africans do, then he’s an excellent chief! 😉
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I am sorry, I don’t know too much about the African societies. I feel uncomfortable to explain to a catholic how is The Pope the chief of the church. I pointed as a reference, The Catholic Encyclopedia. “Don’t take seriously the consecration”: like is not their business and then forget it (by virtue of natural law).
The Russian Orthodox Church has a chief, the Patriarch of Moscow and all Russia, yet the Pope had to make the consecration.
From Wikipedia :“Although the Patriarch of Moscow has extensive powers, unlike the Pope he does not have direct authority over matters pertaining to faith.”
In my personal opinion, Fatima from Catholic point of view means “Catholics, Orthodoxy is not anathema…” and from Orthodox point of view “Orthodox, accept the Pope as your chief…”
 
:whistle:Hopefully one day we can overcome all the little things and be one church and one body again
 
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