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I have a very very very strong desire to be a religious Sister. I am on medication for some previous mental health issues but I am in the process of coming off it successfully and doing quite well. I spoke to my ex Priest about how I wanted to be a nun but they told me to be off medication to join, and he said not to do that. I also got rejected twice from fully contemplative orders due to my previous history. I might add, I was put onto medication after people thought I was crazy when I was 19 after first having decided I wanted to be a nun. Its been 6 years now and the desire is still there. I have gained more confidence over time that I would be capable of doing this after the battering that my esteem took when I was deemed crazy and “religiously preoccupied” by obviously non Christian psychiatrists. They told me not to read the Bible every day. That is an example of one of the things they said to me. Now basically I believe what happened to me after being so definite in my decision to be a nun , was an attack from satan, and yes he prevailed for a while because he had me distracted from what I originally had set out to do.Now my question is… Do you think having my ex Priest say I shouldnt come off the medication , and also having two orders reject me is a clear sign that I shouldnt be a nun, even though I have such a strong yearning to live my life like that (Possibly in a contemplative/active order, in which they have told me I may be able to join them). I had a man telling me that God obviously doesnt want me to do it. And I really dont believe that is right?? Ugh!!
 
I have a very very very strong desire to be a religious Sister. I am on medication for some previous mental health issues but I am in the process of coming off it successfully and doing quite well.
I hope that you success will continue.
I spoke to my ex Priest about how I wanted to be a nun but they told me to be off medication to join, and he said not to do that. I also got rejected twice from fully contemplative orders due to my previous history.
Possibly not a good move to come off medication unless under medical supervision - and especially psychiatric type medication which can be very strong.
I might add, I was put onto medication after people thought I was crazy when I was 19 after first having decided I wanted to be a nun. Its been 6 years now and the desire is still there. I have gained more confidence over time that I would be capable of doing this after the battering that my esteem took when I was deemed crazy and “religiously preoccupied” by obviously non Christian psychiatrists. They told me not to read the Bible every day. That is an example of one of the things they said to me.
Psychiatric medical people who are not religious personally can make it hard for a patient who is religious. Not always, but it can happen.
Now basically I believe what happened to me after being so definite in my decision to be a nun , was an attack from satan, and yes he prevailed for a while because he had me distracted from what I originally had set out to do.Now my question is… Do you think having my ex Priest say I shouldnt come off the medication , and also having two orders reject me is a clear sign that I shouldnt be a nun, even though I have such a strong yearning to live my life like that (Possibly in a contemplative/active order, in which they have told me I may be able to join them).
There are three basic signs of any vocation:

Attraction to the life
Ability to lead the life
Acceptance into the life

You have the first sign, possibly even the second sign if you are able to continue in good health at some point off medication. But up to this point anyway, the third sign is absent since to date a religious community has not actually accepted your application.
What we need to understand and what The Church states is that when God is calling a person to a certain vocation, He provides the three basic signs.
I had a man telling me that God obviously doesnt want me to do it. And I really dont believe that is right?? Ugh!!
As long as you are attracted to religious life, dont give up! Pray daily and always and accept wise and holy advice/spiritual direction. If God is calling you to religious life, then nothing can stand in the way. Perhaps only your own decisions and choices. If God is calling you to religious life, the attraction will continue, you will be able to sustain sound mental health off medication (if this is what a religious community asks) and a religious community will accept your application. The Lord will provide those three necessary conditions.

Remember, however, that a religious vocation cannot be actually confirmed until final vows. It is a long journey to that point.

I received some time back a beautiful email from a Carmelite prioress in which she stated that for those that desire religious life, but have impediments and cannot enter, that The Lord embraces and accepts them for their desire as if they had actually entered. I found this profound and very beautiful!

TS
 
wow thankyou. That was a very encouraging response!!! I will keep praying .
God bless you 🙂
 
I have a very very very strong desire to be a religious Sister. I am on medication for some previous mental health issues but I am in the process of coming off it successfully and doing quite well. I spoke to my ex Priest about how I wanted to be a nun but they told me to be off medication to join, and he said not to do that. I also got rejected twice from fully contemplative orders due to my previous history. I might add, I was put onto medication after people thought I was crazy when I was 19 after first having decided I wanted to be a nun. Its been 6 years now and the desire is still there. I have gained more confidence over time that I would be capable of doing this after the battering that my esteem took when I was deemed crazy and “religiously preoccupied” by obviously non Christian psychiatrists. They told me not to read the Bible every day. That is an example of one of the things they said to me. Now basically I believe what happened to me after being so definite in my decision to be a nun , was an attack from satan, and yes he prevailed for a while because he had me distracted from what I originally had set out to do.Now my question is… Do you think having my ex Priest say I shouldnt come off the medication , and also having two orders reject me is a clear sign that I shouldnt be a nun, even though I have such a strong yearning to live my life like that (Possibly in a contemplative/active order, in which they have told me I may be able to join them). I had a man telling me that God obviously doesnt want me to do it. And I really dont believe that is right?? Ugh!!
My Opinion (MO) - follow your priest’s advice. Take the decision of the Congregations you were in contact with as a Sign of God but for those Congregations. If you want to try others try others, but be true about what your priest said and the other congregations said. It would be that you would not serve in some like the contemplative which are very tough, but could serve in others. If, after seeing them all, you do not get accepted, try the Lay Apostolate. There are some nuns, which do not live in congregations, I do not know their names in English.

MO - If, in the end, after doing everything you could do, you do not find a door open, maybe you should start thinking that your will is one but the will of God is another, much better for you.
 
I have a very very very strong desire to be a religious Sister. I am on medication for some previous mental health issues but I am in the process of coming off it successfully and doing quite well. I spoke to my ex Priest about how I wanted to be a nun but they told me to be off medication to join, and he said not to do that. I also got rejected twice from fully contemplative orders due to my previous history. I might add, I was put onto medication after people thought I was crazy when I was 19 after first having decided I wanted to be a nun. Its been 6 years now and the desire is still there. I have gained more confidence over time that I would be capable of doing this after the battering that my esteem took when I was deemed crazy and “religiously preoccupied” by obviously non Christian psychiatrists. They told me not to read the Bible every day. That is an example of one of the things they said to me. Now basically I believe what happened to me after being so definite in my decision to be a nun , was an attack from satan, and yes he prevailed for a while because he had me distracted from what I originally had set out to do.Now my question is… Do you think having my ex Priest say I shouldnt come off the medication , and also having two orders reject me is a clear sign that I shouldnt be a nun, even though I have such a strong yearning to live my life like that (Possibly in a contemplative/active order, in which they have told me I may be able to join them). I had a man telling me that God obviously doesnt want me to do it. And I really dont believe that is right?? Ugh!!
Our opinions mean nothing. Each Order has its own rules so you will need to consult with all those in which you may be interested. Consult with the orders directly for correct information.

If perscribed by good Doctors, do not go off your medication. If you believe your health has changed since the original perscription check with your Doctor immediately. Second or Third opinions from other qualified Doctors are appropriate, (Try to find a Catholic Doctor).

Keep praying so God will lead you to do His will.
 
Christine,

God bless your desire to be all for Jesus. As a Priest I admire you and your perseverance inspires me. I pray for you: Jesus, if this desire and dream comes from You, then give her the means to fulfill it! Since you are reaching out in humility and obedience to God’s will, He will not fail to guide you. You’ll get there, wherever that is, for you.

I simply add that it would be a good idea to find a Priest you can relate to(I know it’s hard, I am one who has to find one too! every now and then) and try again as was told to you. Our Lady will provide all you need to belong to Her Son the way He has decided. It is His work from start to finish. He will finish what he started, I believe, especially since you have not given up but are giving in and giving yourself up to the great love Jesus has for you. I recommend this Scripture passage for encouragement:
For just as from the heavens the rain and snow come down and do not return there till they have watered the earth, making it fertile and fruitful, giving seed to him who sows and bread to him who eats, so shall my word be that goes from my mouth ; it shall not return to me void, but shall do my will, achieving the end for which I sent it.
Isaiah 55,9-11
So it is, and ever shall be with any authentic vocation from God which is a word of God, a seed sown, planted and taken root in your heart-a seed that grows in suffering and in silence like the Mystical Rose, Mary, blooming in the shadow of the Cross. You are one of those roses in the shade of His Love, He has cultivated you for a special mission obviously with much fertile trials to deepen your roots…you have a special fragrance to give to Him, and Our Lady will prune off any thorns that grow along your stem if you allow Her. She makes brides for Her Son. You can count on Her to get you there, wherever Jesus wants you to be, in the way He wants you to belong to Him, and to Him alone.

Just for laughs, you can consider yourself, Jesus’ mail-order bride-if He orders you-and if you said Yes, then He’ll get you, sooner or later, and His Mother will arrange everything. We must God’s will seriously and the work He gives us, but not ourselves.

Fr. Dominic
 
I have a very very very strong desire to be a religious Sister. I am on medication for some previous mental health issues but I am in the process of coming off it successfully and doing quite well.
  • There is a song that REALLY inspired me to APPLY after discerning my vocation for several months. It’s called “I Will Arise and Go to Jesus”:
    youtube.com/watch?v=Phazukk81Fc
The lyrics go like this:

“Come ye weary, heavy laden
Lost and wounded by the fire
IF YOU TARRY, TILL YOU’RE BETTER
YOU WILL NEVER COME AT ALL.”

Note the CAPS. We as human beings are weak. But God loves us in our weakness, and He uses the meek and humble to do His will.

The past few years you are being transformed, your desire is still there. Answer the call courageously. Never, never, never give up.

God bless you. Keep the faith.

Remember: The harvest is plenty, but the labourers are few.

p.s. Please listen to the song, if you can.
 
I’m incredibly inspired that you are still faithful to the Church and your calling despite your sufferings and having psychiatrists dismiss your beliefs.

Medication is often not intended as a permanent solution, but as a tool to be used in addition to counselling and therapy and with the intention of eventually coming off the medication. It sounds like this could be the case for you. It might be best though to wait until you are fully independent of the medication so that you can show a potential religious order that you have overcome your difficulties.
 
As someone else said, it’s possibly you can still be called to religious life, just not that group that has already said “no”.

And listen to the doctors, they get paid to be doctors 🙂
 
As someone else said, it’s possibly you can still be called to religious life, just not that group that has already said “no”.

And listen to the doctors, they get paid to be doctors 🙂
Indeed, if one feels called to religious life and is not accepted by one group or even a few groups, one should not give up on religious life as long as the desire persists - rather continue to apply to other communites.

Re doctors. Medicine and medical people are Gifts of God in the struggle against suffering. They are not infallible, since God Gifts to fallible humans (which doctors are) and mistakes and errors can be made by fallible humans. By and large, I am presuming that mistakes and errors are in the minority in medicine and we should be grateful and praise offered to God for medicine and medical people and His Gifts to us - and intercession too that medicine and medical people will continue to grow and perfect their science.
Of interest, there is a real movement within psychiatry and psychology to uphold that human beings have a spiritual dimension - as well as the emotional and mental. This indicates growth and growing within the science for which we should be grateful and praising and interceding too that it will continue to grow towards truth which is an aspect of Ultimate Truth or God. Science, ideally, is the search for truth.

Ideally too, the spiritual director and the doctor will work together, each recognizing the limits and boundaries of their own brief. The doctor will recognize when it is time to refer the patient to the director - as the director recognizes when it is time to refer the directee to the doctor. Thus with those seeking the assistance of a psychiatrist and/or psychologist and a spiritual director, they need to ensure that each does understand the limits of their brief and that the person is consulting also the spiritual director or the psychiatrist or psychologist, whichever may apply.
Quoting Perfect Timing: Medication is often not intended as a permanent solution, but as a tool to be used in addition to counselling and therapy and with the intention of eventually coming off the medication. It sounds like this could be the case for you. It might be best though to wait until you are fully independent of the medication so that you can show a potential religious order that you have overcome your difficulties.
Well stated and the key words are “is often not intended”. For some conditions, medication may be necessary for life as I am confident Perfect Timing understands. Although, in the case of the OP, Christine85, it does seem that medication has been a tool only in overcoming her difficulties and the medication may well be abandoned at some point. Important, however, to not do so without medical confirmation and assistance in coming off the medication if necessary.
It might be best though to wait until you are fully independent of the medication so that you can show a potential religious order that you have overcome your difficulties.
Good point. I feel sure that religious communities will be more favourably impressed with an application after a successful period off medication than to apply while still on medication.

It can be very difficult and a real suffering for those who are on medication (or other impediments of some kind) and have an ardent desire to give themselves and their whole life to God in religious life. But after reflecting on the email, I think that my Carmelite Prioress was quite theologically correct. For those that have the ardent desire for religious life and for all the right reasons, but have impediments of some kind, that The Lord embraces them with Great Love. He embraces them as if they had already entered religious life, though asking of them a deep suffering, a huge sacrifice of their own desires for their lives and a cross which could be lifelong.

TS:)
 
I would be cautious of going off the medicine. I tried with doctor approval and ended up having to go back on it, and it was a rough time when the condition returned and it took awhile to get the medicine working right.

There are Orders out there accepting of mental conditions well-controlled by medicine. You will have to discern and talk with them to find out if they are for you.

Have a read over this:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=572250
 
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