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MaroniteRosary
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A Jehovah witness in my class took a cruicifix sticker from me and has ripped it up saying it’s false and not true. Where in the bible can I prove Jesus was crucified.
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bogeydogg
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That person obviously has issues that go far beyond a simple need to prove Christ was crucified. All four Gospels clearly teach that He was.
I would think a person who would take and destroy someone else’s property is not defending their own faith but lashing out. If the person in question knows you are a Catholic then the anger may be directed toward the Church. If not then the anger may directed at you.
It is also possible that the anger is directed at no one in particular and this is just a confused and hurting person who needs your prayers far more than proof texts.
Remember…
Love your enemies and pray for those spitefully use you.
If the world hates me they will hate you.
Blessed are you when you suffer persecution for my Name’s sake.
Pray and forgive.
And perhaps avoid that person as well.
God Bless
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FabiusMaximus
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Whoa, what a jerk.
“As they were going out, they met a man from Cyrene, named Simon, and they forced him to carry the cross. 33 They came to a place called Golgotha (which means “the place of the skull”). 34 There they offered Jesus wine to drink, mixed with gall; but after tasting it, he refused to drink it. 35 When they had crucified him, they divided up his clothes by casting lots. 36 And sitting down, they kept watch over him there. 37 Above his head they placed the written charge against him: THIS IS JESUS, THE KING OF THE JEWS.
38 Two rebels were crucified with him, one on his right and one on his left.”* (Matthew 27:32-38)
Jehovah’s Witnesses will often cite other passages from the Bible that speak of “hanging from a tree,” but these are clearly inferences to crucifixion. The way a cross appears, with its large T-shape, looks like a tree, and often that term was used.
Of course, they will reject the mainstream interpretation of the term “cross” but they having nothing to back up their claims. Extrabiblical sources, ranging from Roman to Jewish, also confirm crucifixion as opposed to anything else.
Additionally, the Romans crucified people. It was an accepted method of execution. When Spartacus led a slave rebellion against the Roman Republic, the captured rebel slaves were crucified. Given that Jesus was essentially condemned (or accused, rather), of a similar charge - treason against the Empire - it seems appropriate that he would receive a similar punishment.
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MaroniteRosary
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If he was angry tords me I don’t know why? I never done anything to offend him I’m very quiet, I guess the crucifix offended him. :s
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TimothyH
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Forget about that.
Don’t avoid him. Don’t call him a jerk. Don’t argue. Let the peace of Christ come over the situation. God can work wonders in an environment of peace.
And then be Christ yourself, and buy him lunch.
-Tim-
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Yerusalyim
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The reason she says it isn’t “true” is because JW’s believe Jesus was crucified on a simple upright post…not a T shaped cross. The bigger issue is she took something that was yours and ripped it up…that’s destruction of property. If this is a public school…complain…if it’s a college…complain.
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onemangang
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Jw’s teach that Christ was Crucified on a pole or torture stake, instead of a cross.
They are hostile to the cross and say that it is a pagan symbol!
They used to say Christ suffered on a cross, and they used the cross symbol on their tracts, up till 1931
pfo.org/jwcross.htm
They are hostile to the cross and say that it is a pagan symbol!
They used to say Christ suffered on a cross, and they used the cross symbol on their tracts, up till 1931
pfo.org/jwcross.htm
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MaroniteRosary
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I knew the whole Pagen symbol thing but wow they use to believe in the cross? Interesting!
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Nicea325
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:bigyikes: Not true? It is all over the NT,especially the Gospels. Problem is that JW’s use their own NWT Bible which is perverted to support their novelties. Ask the JW:
May you please tell me when and where the Romans were killing people on stakes and not crosses? Sources please…
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MaroniteRosary
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Amen
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adf417
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Many places - To name a few:
Mat. 20:19
Mat 26:2
Mk. 15:25
I think the JW dis-belief is not with the crucifiction it self as much their disregard for the cross. The greek word stauros can also be translated as “stake”, as in the JW bible. This is yet another way they teach their people how we Christians are worshiping idols and that the pagens changed the interpritation of this word to “cross” for their liking.
God Bless!!
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Publisher
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I view this in the same way I viewed the destruction of the poster in Austrailia by a Catholic group or Catholic individual who did not like the poster depicting Mary surprised she was pregant as she viewed a pregnancy test strip…it was wrong to do so…neither act can be justified by claiming “blasphemy”…whether a Catholic or a JW destroy another’s property because they disagree with the imagry…it is wrong…and yet many Catholics defended the vandals actions…perhaps the JW felt as “entitled” to destroy anothers property as did the Catholics in Australia…
“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” seems an appropriate addage.
“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” seems an appropriate addage.
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GaryTaylor
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My opinion is you should keep your hands off whats not yours. Its a safe way to stay safe. 
As to the “not true” part? Just John alone would cover that.
As to the “not true” part? Just John alone would cover that.
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Kc906
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Obviously it’s incorrect to judge any group by the acts of a few, as in the example of the OP and the story of the Catholic Group/Individual in Australia. Destruction of property is not what Christ calls us to do, and here in America we have the ability to voice our displeasure with certain displays such as you are describing in Australia.I view this in the same way I viewed the destruction of the poster in Austrailia by a Catholic group or Catholic individual who did not like the poster depicting Mary surprised she was pregant as she viewed a pregnancy test strip…it was wrong to do so…neither act can be justified by claiming “blasphemy”…whether a Catholic or a JW destroy another’s property because they disagree with the imagry…it is wrong…and yet many Catholics defended the vandals actions…perhaps the JW felt as “entitled” to destroy anothers property as did the Catholics in Australia…
“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” seems an appropriate addage.
With that said, the JW’s as a group believe Jesus did not die on a cross, and they believe the cross is an Idol; which makes any person/group that even has one of these in a room an Idolater in their mind. These beliefs of this youngling brought them to the point of taking the sticker and ripping it up, and I am sure that the JW leadership do not approve of this. Scripture clearly shows the story of Mary being made aware of her pregnancy by the Angel, obviously she was surprised but the depiction of the poster in Australia is offensive and in bad taste.
MaroniteRosary, do not be ashamed of your faith and who you are. Keep living your life as if the incident didn’t happen, and as TimothyH recommended; show the love of Christ to this child and offer to do something out of the kindness of your heart.
-God Bless
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Publisher
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Yet the Catholic who destroyed the Anglican poster was no more justified in doing so than the JW in destroying a sticker of a crucifix. NEITHER the poster nor the sticker was the property of the person who destroyed it…NEITHER can be justified.
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Kc906
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I totally agree and that was the point of my first paragraph. Neither of the acts are justified, and you cannot assume the JW’s or Catholic leaders would condone such actions just because someone in those respective faiths destroyed something that was offensive to them. It is not correct to “judge” a group based on the actions of a few, and this expands well beyond religion.Yet the Catholic who destroyed the Anglican poster was no more justified in doing so than the JW in destroying a sticker of a crucifix. NEITHER the poster nor the sticker was the property of the person who destroyed it…NEITHER can be justified.
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Indiana_Jones
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Publisher
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Ahhh…I don’t believe I indicated that the “group” represented by it’s adherants condoned either act of vandalism…please indicate where I did so…it was not my intention.
I believe what I stated was that with the poster in Australia…the thread that followed had many Catholics defending the act of vandalism…I did not say “organization”…either Vatican nor Watchtower condoned the action…but individual Catholics did condone the act of vandalism…
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Kc906
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I may have misunderstood, I was just clarifying that I was not justifying the act of vandalism in Australia just because it was done by Catholics; even though I personally find the item they destroyed offensive. I could see how maybe I didn’t make that clear; Peace to you Publisher
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Peace to you friend.
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