When a Eastern Catholic goes to Latin Mass

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Hello,

I have recently attended mass at Belmont Abbey and as a Eastern Catholic I did bow where a latin would kneel, and made the sign of the cross the eastern way. I do not think there would be anything wrong with that. I just want to know what you think.

Thanks much.
 
As far as making the sign of the cross, I don’t think it matters. As to more obvious things, I always tell people “When in Rome…”
 
There’s nothing intrinsically wrong with that. You give honour and worship in the way that is natural to you…and hopefully no one is distracted or confused. Would it concern you if they were?

God bless you profoundly, Trishie 🙂
 
Sounds like it would be a bit distracting to the others.

It would be much better form to perform the gestures consistant with the liturgy that you are attending.

If you just, through force of habit, flub the correct gesture its nothing to lose sleep over. Just try to do the same as the others.
 
jbm0117 said:
Hello,

I have recently attended mass at Belmont Abbey and as a Eastern Catholic I did bow where a latin would kneel, and made the sign of the cross the eastern way. I do not think there would be anything wrong with that. I just want to know what you think.

Thanks much.
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Kielbasi said:
Sounds like it would be a bit distracting to the others.

It would be much better form to perform the gestures consistant with the liturgy that you are attending.

If you just, through force of habit, flub the correct gesture its nothing to lose sleep over. Just try to do the same as the others.
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I’m kind of up in the air. The way the sign of the cross is made doesn’t really matter, but i think with kneeling/bowing it may be best to do what is called for in that rite, if only to not distract anyone else.

When i went to an eastern orthodox DL, i followed all of their posture (although i wonder if i would kneel a few times if i did it again. i just dont know).

I am wondering though… you said you bowed when a Latin would kneel. Does that mean you stayed bowing during the entire eucharistic prayer and agnus dei? Thats a pretty long bow. Or did you just stand and bow at the elevation (when the priest genuflects) as disabled or elderly Latins are allowed to do?

In any case, here’s photographic proof that its all right; A Papal Mass in St Peter’s, with Latins AND Easterns. See if you can tell who’s who 👍

http://www.bbfoco.ho8.com/photos/PapalMassVatican2in1962web.jpg
 
jbm0117 said:
Hello,

I have recently attended mass at Belmont Abbey and as a Eastern Catholic I did bow where a latin would kneel, and made the sign of the cross the eastern way. I do not think there would be anything wrong with that. I just want to know what you think.

Thanks much.
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What would you hope a Latin would do if he came to your parish?
 
I think if you go to an eastern parish, you should worship as an easterner, and vice versa. This promotes unity. Although doing it the way you normally do does not promote dissonance, I think it will make the mass more beautiful if the communal worship is all the same.
 
Just my $.02, but before I moved to Texas from Maryland, there was a Ruthenian mission down the road and I would attend Liturgy there about once a month. I don’t recall ever thinking about doing anything than adopting the postures, etc. proper to the Ruthenian DL (actually, I even blessed myself from right to left).

The best thing - the first time I attended, since it was a small mission, everyone there was eager to find out who I was and introduce themselves, including a couple of “little old ladies” who were more than thrilled to “coach” me when they found out I was Latin. 🙂

Perhaps you should find yourself a couple of “little old Latin ladies”. 😃

p.s. the DL was at 6pm on Sunday, and it was always amusing to see the faces of the occasional Latin Catholics who would wander in to fulfill their Sunday “obligation” after oversleeping or whatever, thinking it was a Latin Mass 😊
 
When in Rome do as the Romans do! Conversely, when in Greece do as the Greeks do!
 
I was raised Roman and married a Byzantine, for all the times we go back to my mom’s church, we do as the Roman’s and when we have visitors to our Byzantine church, they do as we do…

Signing of the cross to me is up to the individual person, one way is not better than the other…
 
I kind of combine the two. I kneel and bow at the same time.

I worship the same way as I do when I’m at a Chaldean Rite Mass as when I’m at a Latin Rite Mass. I think it is out of habit, with a touch of pride (because you know, we easterners are pretty awesome 😛 ), and because it’s what my conscience tells me to do because it’s the way I was taught to worship 🤷
 
I always make the sign of the cross the Eastern way as an Eastern Catholic even though I go to the Latin rite mass more often than the Divine Liturgy. However, for everything else I follow what everyone else is doing.
 
If you believe that certain rubrics in one rite are more correct and ancient than the other **you have an obligation to not follow modern incorrect rubrics. **

There are many good people who simply do not understand or appreciate the deep damage that was done by the interruption of our constant worshipping tradition in the Latin Church. I often express it quite simply: if you were to line up the twenty-two or so different rites of the Catholic Church and look at them dispassionately, one of them, in the way it is celebrated, the use of secular styles of music, etc., stands out like a sore thumb for its diminished sense of awe and transcendence: the contemporary Roman Rite. By 1970, the Mass had become a sort of consecrated karaoke hour, an amateur show in which the liturgical rite was shaped to express the theme of the moment… NOT something to be gratefully received, reverently celebrated and entered into, and faithfully handed down. The Liturgy should shape US, not the other way around.

If you are for example accepting the holding or raising of hands during the Lords Prayer this would be a mistaken innovation unknown to our ancestors. Also to willingly accept the Versus Populum instead of Ad Orientem is an abandonment of apostolic tradition.

God is merciful but at the same time to stand up for ancient tradition once held in common by the entire church is our ideal.
 
Chris,

While your post may be true, what does it have to do with the OP?
 
My comment had to with the original post in that not only do I believe Eastern Catholics ought to follow their traditions at a Latin liturgy but I believe that more modern Latin Catholics ought to follow the traditions practiced in Eastern Churches. Particularly the traditions would be identical to ancient Western rubrics

Make no mistake, though it has its sins and weaknesses in other facets, liturgy is the strong point of the Eastern Church. As it is today it serves as an example to the West, not vice versa. Liturgically the east sets the standard example to be lived up to.

It’s not as if we want to bring guitars into the Eastern Churches now is it?
 
Chris_McAvoy said:
My comment had to with the original post in that not only do I believe Eastern Catholics ought to follow their traditions at a Latin liturgy but I believe that more modern Latin Catholics ought to follow the traditions practiced in Eastern Churches. Particularly the traditions would be identical to ancient Western rubrics.
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So you think that modern Latin Catholics should stand throughout their entire liturgy, rather than kneel at the Consecration?
 
I am assuming you mean Belmont Abbey College in North Carolina, and not Belmont Abbey outside of Wales in the UK. 😃

I am a student there, and my friends and I love to go to St. Basil’s in Charlotte for Divine Liturgy when we can, to develope a healthy exposure to the Church’s rich liturgical diversity. When we go, we do as the Ukranian Catholics do…for all two hours 😃

At any rate, thanks for stopping by, and if you decide to come again, let us know and we’ll help you with any question you have!
 
theistgal said:
So you think that modern Latin Catholics should stand throughout their entire liturgy, rather than kneel at the Consecration?
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From the 1st Council of Nicea in 325 A.D.

Cannon 20:
Since there are some who kneel on Sunday and during the season of Pentecost, this holy synod decrees that, so that the same observances may be maintained in every diocese, one should offer one’s prayers to the Lord standing.:byzsoc:
 
jbm0117 said:
Hello,

I have recently attended mass at Belmont Abbey and as a Eastern Catholic I did bow where a latin would kneel, and made the sign of the cross the eastern way. I do not think there would be anything wrong with that. I just want to know what you think.

Thanks much.
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Good for you. There is nothing wrong as all are Catholic. If you were to start going to an Anglican or Orthodox there would be something wrong with that. What your doing is actually very cool.
 
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