When a metania is made?

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i was just wondering what are the different customs when it comes to making metanias (i.e. touching the floor before or after signing yourself with the cross) according to various traditions (i.e. ruthenian, melkite, greek, etc.)? also when are they performed during divine liturgy? or when are full prostrations allowed?

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What I’ve seen:
Full metania (bow and touch ground then cross self then rise): when entering the nave, clergy when reverencing the icon on the tetrapod upon arrival or preparing to leave, following each strain of the institution narrative.

Lesser metania (profound bow and cross self): when the celebrant passes by you in procession, when incensed, when blessed by the priest or bishop, when entering or leaving the sanctuary, every strain of the Holy God, the prayer for mercy upon sinners (each line), the come let us worship (each line), clergy while approaching the tetrapod to reverence the icon upon it during liturgy, laity when approaching the tetrapod to reverence the icon on it, when approaching for communion (usually while second in line), whenever the priest or deacon calls for us to bow our heads to the Lord, and any time we sing “To You O Lord”. Some do so at the end of the epiclesis, as well; a few on every line of the epiclesis, and when rising from any bow called for by the rubrics.

Just crossing oneself: any mention of the trinity (either the word trinity or the mention of all three persons thereof.)

How proper it is? don’t know; don’t really care, either… since I do most of these almost all the time, and most of my parish does as well, and our subdeacon does, too… and the clerics have not instructed otherwise.
 
In the Moscow Patriarchate they make a metania at every “Lord have mercy!”
 
It is a very intesting question. A while back, I read through the 1941 Ordo Celebrationis Vesperarum Matutini et Divinae Liturgiae Iuxta Recensionem Ruthenorum, translation to English:
patronagechurch.com/Ordo-English-1955/ordo-english-1955.htm

These rubrics were cleaned of Latinizations back to the time of Patriarch Isidore.

In there are mentioned a few rubrics in the prenotations. And I see these rubrics are only partly followed in our parish. *

Four terms are used: (1) small bow (hand not down to knees or ground), (2) sign of cross, (3) profound adoration, (4) and great bow (sign then body to the ground).

(1) Small bow is the sign of the cross with slight head and shoulder inclination, with no hand to knee or ground is used in general (page 3). Used for blessing by the priest, in the Trisagion, etc.

(2) Sign of cross without inclination of head and shoulders before and after Gospel (page 4).

(3) A profound adoration is done twice during the epiklesis. A third time (specified in 2006 DL to be done after “condemnation”) is not to be done (per the note page 18). (This is likely the hand to the ground form, which is not described anywhere that I can find.)

(4) The great bow or metanija (sign then entire body to the ground) is not used except during the Great Fast (Lent) and in the Office of the Presanctified Gifts (page 4).
  • In our parish, we have been using the profound adoration (3) (hand down in general), and the sign alone (2) at the gospel. That means we have not been doing the small bow (1). I was corrected (serving at the altar) to not execute the small bow (1) but rather the profound bow (3) for uniformity. The reason: “that’s Orthodox, and we are not Orthodox.”
I see now, that it is contrary to the 1941 rubrics to execute the profound bow (3) except at the epiklesis. Also, the 2006 Ruthenian Divine Liturgy rubrics specify to profound bow (3) at the end of the Anaphora after the word “condemnation” just before incensation, contrary to the 1941 rubrics, so that must have been something done in some parishes that was seen as a Latinization. I have never seen anybody execute the great bow (4) to the ground at our parish during the Presanctified Gifts, rather they use profound bow (3).

Note the rubrics from 1941 say to use the small bow (1) for most everything, listing (pages 3-4):

a) When one first enter the sanctuary, when one finally departs from it (also kissing the altar)
b) In the beginning of any Office one says: “Blahosloven Boh nas…” or “Molitvami svjatych otes. …”
c) At the Trisagion, thrice, and also at “Krestu Tvojemu poklana jemsja …”
d) At “Prijdite poklonimsja …” thrice
e) Three Allilujas at end of stichologies, thrice
f) Whenever the three Persons of the Life-Giving Trinity are mentioned together
g) Whenever one receives a blessing from the priest
h) As often as one comes before the royal doors for reading or chanting and when departing after
i) As often as one passes before the holy altar or before the iconostasis
j) As often as it is prescribed in the rubrics.
 
…I see now, that it is contrary to the 1941 rubrics to execute the profound bow (3) except at the epiklesis. …
This should have read:

I see now, that it is contrary to the 1941 rubrics to execute the profound bow (3) only at the epiklesis.
 
j) As often as it is prescribed in the rubrics.
Well, that makes sense…🙂

St Elias Ukrainian Catholic Church has an excellent website which includes a section they call Church Etiquette and has a section on “The Sign of the Cross”.

The Jordanville Prayer Book has a whole section near the end on “How One Should Pray in Church” which has detailed rubrics about crossing oneself and bowing.

Several places including both the sources mentioned above specify not to cross ourselves when the Priest blesses us, making the Sign of the Cross over us with his hand and says: “Peace be with/unto you/all.”

I see a fair amount of variation in the Russian Catholic and Orthodox parishes I’m generally in. Some of that is us not knowing “the rubrics”, and some is that people come there from a variety of Churches, not only Russian.

I like this On Bows and Prostrations article for its sentiment and the basic guidelines.

(The other considerable variation among those attending is who stands or sits and when. None of the Russian churches I’m in have pews, but there are a few chairs and also benches along the perimeter. I’ve been in other EC/OC churches which have pews or are filled with chairs and some folks will be standing most of the time and some are sitting most of the time, in the same liturgy.)
 
This should have read:

I see now, that it is contrary to the 1941 rubrics to execute the profound bow (3) only at the epiklesis.
What I mean is that the 1941 rubrics state the profound bow used in the Divine Liturgy is to be used just the two times in the epiklesis, so what we have been doing goes against that.

To 5Loves, you said: “Several places including both the sources mentioned above specify not to cross ourselves when the Priest blesses us, making the Sign of the Cross over us with his hand and says: “Peace be with/unto you/all.””

I read some of those instructions earlier this year. Interesting, isn’t it, that it goes against the 1941 Ruthenian ordo which states to cross when blessed by the priest. It may not be contrary to the Russian ordo or the Greek ordo which were also published by Rome, and I have not read them. Standardization is a difficulty, especially when the long term practice has been different in different parishes in the same Church sui iuris.
 
In our parish, we have been using the profound adoration (3) (hand down in general), and the sign alone (2) at the gospel. That means we have not been doing the small bow (1). I was corrected (serving at the altar) to not execute the small bow (1) but rather the profound bow (3) for uniformity. The reason: "that’s Orthodox, and we are not Orthodox."
That’s for sure! 🤷

roca.org/OA/150/150e.htm

“Lastly and importantly, one must bear in mind that there are certain local practices and variations with regard to prostrations, as also with regard to much else within Orthodoxy. If a practice is not clean contrary to the teaching of the Ecumenical Church and thus a malpractice, there is much to be said for following the practice of the church you are in or visiting. “When in Rome…” If you are in some doubt as to what to do, a good idea is to follow the lead of the celebrant or the senior person present; in doing this you will at least be showing them respect and will be humbling yourself.”

This seems to me the important thing to remember.
 
In the Moscow Patriarchate they make a metania at every “Lord have mercy!”
I spaced that one… we’re actually doing so at the concluding line of each petition in the ektenie… a few of us in the parish, including the Subdeacon and the servers.
 
I spaced that one… we’re actually doing so at the concluding line of each petition in the ektenie… a few of us in the parish, including the Subdeacon and the servers.
Based on the following definitions, are you are using number 3 at the ektenie?

(1) Small bow is the sign of the cross with slight head and shoulder inclination, with no hand to knee or ground.

(2) Sign of cross without inclination of head and shoulders.

(3) A profound adoration - the hand to the ground (or knee) open hand facing out, then sign. [Half prostration: poyasnoi poklon, поясной поклон]

(4) The great bow or metanija (sign then entire body to the ground). [Prostration: zemnoy proklon, земной поклон]
 
Based on the following definitions, are you are using number 3 at the ektenie?

(1) Small bow is the sign of the cross with slight head and shoulder inclination, with no hand to knee or ground.

(2) Sign of cross without inclination of head and shoulders.

(3) A profound adoration - the hand to the ground (or knee) open hand facing out, then sign. [Half prostration: poyasnoi poklon, поясной поклон]

(4) The great bow or metanija (sign then entire body to the ground). [Prostration: zemnoy proklon, земной поклон]
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Based on the following definitions, are you are using number 3 at the ektenie?

(1) Small bow is the sign of the cross with slight head and shoulder inclination, with no hand to knee or ground.

(2) Sign of cross without inclination of head and shoulders.

(3) A profound adoration - the hand to the ground (or knee) open hand facing out, then sign. [Half prostration: poyasnoi poklon, поясной поклон]

(4) The great bow or metanija (sign then entire body to the ground). [Prostration: zemnoy proklon, земной поклон]
Is the ektenie the litany of peace, the Great Litany (“In peace, let us pray to the Lord.”)? I’m used to seeing among the faithful Russian ECC and OCA #2 or #1 after some but not after every petition, and my understanding has always been that those crossing themselves do so at a petition for with the person feels a special intention. The deacons I believe do #1 at the end of each petition.

I know you were asking Aramis but thought I’d add my uncertain response. 🙂
 
Is the ektenie the litany of peace, the Great Litany (“In peace, let us pray to the Lord.”)? I’m used to seeing among the faithful Russian ECC and OCA #2 or #1 after some but not after every petition, and my understanding has always been that those crossing themselves do so at a petition for with the person feels a special intention. The deacons I believe do #1 at the end of each petition.

I know you were asking Aramis but thought I’d add my uncertain response. 🙂
Ektenie is the plural of ektenia. Each litany is an ektenia.

Since we only just got our deacon candidate ordained a subdeacon, and seldom see deacons from the rest of the eparchy…
 
Ektenie is the plural of ektenia. Each litany is an ektenia.

Since we only just got our deacon candidate ordained a subdeacon, and seldom see deacons from the rest of the eparchy…
Congratulations to you and the new subdeacon! 👍

Thanks for that grammar lesson. 🙂

One of our deacons just got ordained to the priesthood in June :extrahappy: and has left us and gone to another state. :sad_yes: We have a deacon who isn’t going anywhere, except to the river to take a rest… 🙂

I confess I don’t pay that much attention to the details of the postures and gestures of our deacons. But I will try to remember to do so on this topic now.

I don’t know where all those smilies came from LOL. One more fast day then cheese and chocolate to feed my brain.
 
I am so confused about it.
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I’m confused by the posts you have made on CAF which seem to have no actual content to them, and your signature which appears to be a commercial and decidedly not Catholic. 🤷
 
Based on the following definitions, are you are using number 3 at the ektenie?

(1) Small bow is the sign of the cross with slight head and shoulder inclination, with no hand to knee or ground.

(2) Sign of cross without inclination of head and shoulders.

(3) A profound adoration - the hand to the ground (or knee) open hand facing out, then sign. [Half prostration: poyasnoi poklon, поясной поклон]

(4) The great bow or metanija (sign then entire body to the ground). [Prostration: zemnoy proklon, земной поклон]
Spraznika! I hope you all had a beautiful feast day!

At OCA Festal Vigil on Sat. most of the time I was aware of the deacon employing #1. Sometimes he seemed to do #2. But again in 2 1/4 hours I did not find I was well able to pay attention to his gestures. Our deacon was away so had no deacon to observe this week in my parish.
 
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