When a priest enters the room

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I remember doing this in grade school, but I have to ask - why would any adult expect to interrupt the lesson in a classroom just because they enter?

This making royalty of priests is just not right. It is one of the factors that led to the abuse scandals, you know?
 
I remember doing this in grade school, but I have to ask - why would any adult expect to interrupt the lesson in a classroom just because they enter?

This making royalty of priests is just not right. It is one of the factors that led to the abuse scandals, you know?
Ohhhh no - don’t even go there. :mad:

Our priests, our good and holy priests, hold God in their hands for us. They SHOULD be given this level of respect and honor. This is not making royalty of them, this is called acknowledging what and who they are when they act in persona Christi. The fact that SOME men were sinful criminals does NOT mean that we need to suddenly stop paying due respect and honor to those good priests who honor Jesus Christ and His Church.

~Liza
 
Ohhhh no - don’t even go there. :mad:

Our priests, our good and holy priests, hold God in their hands for us. They SHOULD be given this level of respect and honor. This is not making royalty of them, this is called acknowledging what and who they are when they act in persona Christi. The fact that SOME men were sinful criminals does NOT mean that we need to suddenly , Lizaanne

Great post, Lizaanne.
Kathgirl
 
God expects the young and old to obey His commandments. However, the main direction that God gives to young people is to honor and obey their parents. This teaches us to honor and obey God, by recognizing that there will always be an authority in our lives.

“Hear, my son, your father’s instruction, and do not forsake your mother’s teaching; indeed, they are a graceful wreath to your head and ornaments about your neck” (Proverbs 1:8-9 NASB).

“Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord” (Colossians 3:20 KJV).

“Come, you children, listen to me; I will teach you the fear of the LORD” (Psalm 34:11 NKJV) .

“Pay attention to your father, and don’t neglect your mother when she grows old” (Proverbs 23:22 CEV).

“Now therefore, listen to me, my children, for blessed are those who keep my ways. Hear instruction and be wise, and do not disdain it” (Proverbs 8:32-33 NKJV).

“Even a child is known by his doings, whether his work be pure, and whether it be right.” (Proverbs 20:11 KJV).

“My children, have nothing to do with false gods or idols" (1 John 5:21 WE).
The Bible tells everyone how to grow in His wisdom. Most of these verses are found in the Book of Proverbs
Getting wisdom is the most important thing you can do! And whatever else you do, get good judgment” (Proverbs 4:7 NLT).

"The road to life is a disciplined life; ignore correction and you’re lost for good.” (Proverbs 10:17 The Message).

“Blessed is the person who does not follow the advice of wicked people, take the path of sinners, or join in the company of mockers. Rather, he delights in the teachings of the Lord and reflects on his teachings day and night. He is like a tree that is planted beside streams–a tree that produces fruit in season and whose leaves do not wither. He succeeds in everything he does” (Psalm 1:1-3 God’s Word).

“The reward of humility and the fear of the LORD are riches, honor and life” (Proverbs 22:4 NASB).

“My son, if you accept my words and store up my commands within you, turning your ear to wisdom and applying your heart to understanding, and if you call out for insight and cry aloud for understanding, and if you look for it as for silver and search for it as for hidden treasure, then you will understand the fear of the Lord and find the knowledge of God. For the Lord gives wisdom and from his mouth come knowledge and understanding” (Proverbs 2:1-6 NIV).

“And this is what he says to all humanity: `The fear of the Lord is true wisdom; to forsake evil is real understanding’” (Job 28:28 NLT).

“Don’t love the world’s ways. Don’t love the world’s goods. Love of the world squeezes out love for the Father. Practically everything that goes on in the world–wanting your own way, wanting everything for yourself, wanting to appear important–has nothing to do with the Father. It just isolates you from him” (1 John 2:15-16 The Message).

“Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock” (Matthew 7:24 NKJV).

“My child, don’t turn away or become bitter when the LORD corrects you. The LORD corrects everyone he loves, just as parents correct their favorite child” (Proverbs 3:11-12 CEV).

“It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise, than for a man to hear the song of fools” (Ecclesiastes 7:5 NKJV).

“Do you want to be counted wise, to build a reputation for wisdom? Here’s what you do: Live well, live wisely, live humbly. It’s the way you live, not the way you talk, that counts. Mean-spirited ambition isn’t wisdom. Boasting that you are wise isn’t wisdom. Twisting the truth to make yourselves sound wise isn’t wisdom. It’s the furthest thing from wisdom–it’s animal cunning, devilish conniving. Whenever you’re trying to look better than others or get the better of others, things fall apart and everyone ends up at the others’ throats. Real wisdom, God’s wisdom, begins with a holy life and is characterized by getting along with others. It is gentle and reasonable, overflowing with mercy and blessings, not hot one day and cold the next, not two-faced" (James 3:13-17 The Message).

“For these commands are a lamp, this teaching is a light, and the corrections of discipline are the way to life” (Proverbs 6:23 NIV).

“For the foolishness of God is wiser than man’s wisdom, and weakness of God is stronger than man’s strength…The wisdom of this world is foolishness to God” (1 Corinthians 1:25 and 3:19 NIV).

“GOD’s Message: “Don’t let the wise brag of their wisdom. Don’t let heroes brag of their exploits. Don’t let the rich brag of their riches. If you brag, brag of this and this only: That you understand and know me. I’m GOD, and I act in loyal love. I do what’s right and set things right and fair, and delight in those who do the same things. These are my trademarks” (Jeremiah 9:23-24 The Message).

“Those who sneer at others don’t like to be corrected, and they won’t ask help from someone with sense” (Proverbs 15:12 CEV).

“If your first concern is to look after yourself, you’ll never find yourself. But if you forget about yourself and look to me, you’ll find both yourself and me” (Matthew 10:39 The Message).

“You will never get into God’s kingdom unless you enter it like a child!" (Luke 18:17 CEV).

“If any of you need wisdom, you should ask God, and it will be given to you. God is generous and won’t correct you for asking” (James 1:5 CEV).

Warnings for Youth

“I’m too young to be held responsible for my actions!” Is that what you think? It is interesting how many warnings the Lord gives to youth.
 
Anyone seen “The Bells of St. Mary’s”? It has a scene in it where Father O’ Malley enters the classroom and everyone stands, and the nun offers him her chair, and he takes it.

I thought the standing thing was good, but was surprised when the priest took the nun’s (woman’s) chair. In my experience it would’ve been correct for him to thank her, but decline. Any comments?
It was also shown in the movie, The Song of Bernadette!
 
Ohhhh no - don’t even go there. :mad:

Our priests, our good and holy priests, hold God in their hands for us. They SHOULD be given this level of respect and honor. This is not making royalty of them, this is called acknowledging what and who they are when they act in persona Christi. The fact that SOME men were sinful criminals does NOT mean that we need to suddenly stop paying due respect and honor to those good priests who honor Jesus Christ and His Church.

~Liza
Liza, I stand by what I said.

This is paying undue respect to these men. Do you really think it helps foster humility and grounding in reality when people bow and scrape every time they see a priest? From what I can see it’s extremely disruptive in a classroom setting, whether it be school or CCD. And it must be confusing to the children, showing this great respect for men that the children aren’t allowed to be in a room alone with.

I have many friends who are priests, so I do not say this out of hatred or disrespect. I believe that the ordained need to remain firmly grounded, and it seems like we do everything we can to prevent this. They need to be invited to participate in our family life, to have friendships, to have a way to connect to other priests.

Yes, they act at times in persona christi . True, if Jesus walked into a classroom everyone would jump up and run to Him, but He was a humble man, while at the same time he is Christ.
 
Yes, they act at times in persona christi . True, if Jesus walked into a classroom everyone would jump up and run to Him, but He was a humble man, while at the same time he is Christ.
Priests do not enter the room to a fanfare of trumpets preceded by girls strewing rose petals in their way. They enter humbly and quietly. We stand because we recognize (1) their status and (2) that they are older than we are and thus deserving of our respect.

I have had some loudmouthed uncles and a grandmother who suffered from senile dementia, and Mama said that even if our elders are annoying and upsetting, we must respectc them because they are our elders.

My sisters and their children never allow their children to address adults by their first names and when I had them with me, if some adult said, Oh, he can call me Trixie! I would answer politely, No, mam, he cant. This has had a mildly humorous outcome in the second generation. When my youngest sister and her oldest son were living with me, he was just learning to talk and we were trying to teach him to say Auntie; he settled on Nonnie, and her children always called me that. The children of one of my neices are taught by their parents to address me as Aunt Nonnie – which is essentially Aunt Auntie! 🙂 I am their great-aunt, of course, but that makes me feel too old.)
 
Liza, I stand by what I said.

This is paying undue respect to these men. Do you really think it helps foster humility and grounding in reality when people bow and scrape every time they see a priest? From what I can see it’s extremely disruptive in a classroom setting, whether it be school or CCD. And it must be confusing to the children, showing this great respect for men that the children aren’t allowed to be in a room alone with.

I have many friends who are priests, so I do not say this out of hatred or disrespect. I believe that the ordained need to remain firmly grounded, and it seems like we do everything we can to prevent this. They need to be invited to participate in our family life, to have friendships, to have a way to connect to other priests.

Yes, they act at times in persona christi . True, if Jesus walked into a classroom everyone would jump up and run to Him, but He was a humble man, while at the same time he is Christ.
So we’re all equals? even the priests among us? wow the 60’s damage has been far reaching.

If we can’t show reverence towards those priests who are responsible for nourishing our souls what exactly have we sunken into? this egalitarianism you support will be the death of us all.
 
It’s funny.* I can’t remember if we stood when the Principal (a nun, of course) entered the room.* My guess is we probably did.* But we DEFINITELY did for a priest.Anyone remember running up to a priest (usually in playground or wherever) asking him to give you his blessing?* Ahhh, the good ol’ days.* Did you know you can still do that - schoolchild or adult ?* You may surprise the priest a bit but my guess is he won’t refuse ! 🙂
 
When I was an Anglo Catholic we always bowed our head during the procession into the church when the crucifix passed by and also when the priest passed us. I notice that on EWTN in some of the masses and Benediction people bow when the priest passes by.

To me this is just respecting the priest as Persona Chrsiti. Also as I recall when a judge enters the court room everyone stands.

I still bow when the cruicifix passes by and the priest during Mass. To me it is just respect for his office not for him as a person. How much more respect should we show for our priests than for a judge or in some countries the queen or king.

I think people get to hung up on little things. At my parish (traditional but NO) most people kneel during the consecration, a few stand. We Catholics shouldn’t judge others in these types of situations. I understand the feeling that we would like everyone to do it our way. I wonder if something like showing respect is important to a priest or how the congregation responds during the liturgy if he should give clear directions to his parishioners as every parish is different in the way in which it celebrates some parts of the Mass. I hope this isn’t too far off topic.

Yours in Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
 
You know you’re a traditional Catholic when you require your students to stand when a priest enters the room or approaches your lunch table etc. True also when any adult enters, approaches etc… but it’s especially disheartening when kids show no respect toward a priest. I am the only teacher in my school who teaches this.
It’s a nice gesture and genuinely polite to stand for a priest (or really anyone in any dignified person, elder relative, or anyone in a formal office – think of the military for example.)

It society etiquette one must stand for a bishop or higher (including an abbot or abbess) in the same way everyone is to stand for a colonel/naval captain or higher, or ranking national dignitary

This proper of manners helps remind us and illustrates that there is a vertical orientation in creation leading all the way up to God, the highest order of all things. The Bible and Jesus commands us to be obedient even when its unjust against us.
 
So we’re all equals? even the priests among us? wow the 60’s damage has been far reaching.

If we can’t show reverence towards those priests who are responsible for nourishing our souls what exactly have we sunken into? this egalitarianism you support will be the death of us all.
My, what a kind reply.
 
So we’re all equals? even the priests among us? wow the 60’s damage has been far reaching.

If we can’t show reverence towards those priests who are responsible for nourishing our souls what exactly have we sunken into? this egalitarianism you support will be the death of us all.
Ottaviani, I have been thinking about your post, and I have a few questions.

What about my post foretells the end of life as we know it? Having a friendship with a priest? Hoping that priests participate in the lives of their flock?

What is the difference between reverence and respect? I respect the ordained, and I show reverence to the Eucharist. Are you suggesting something different?

Finally, just how old are you? Unless you are at least 70, you have no adult experience of the way things were in the fifties and sixties.
 
Liza, I stand by what I said.

This is paying undue respect to these men. Do you really think it helps foster humility and grounding in reality when people bow and scrape every time they see a priest?
So - if you were in the White House Press Corp and Barack Obama walked in the room, would you stand up with the rest of them?

Standing up for a priest is not undue respect - it is exactly the respect they deserve. And who is talking about “bow and scrape”? You make it sound as if we are talking about groveling at his feet! Would you kiss the ring of a Bishop? Or do you feel he doesn’t deserve it, or that such an expression is over the top?

These are not just regular guys, they are far more - they are the men who bring Christ to us. They are the men who are the Apostles of Christ. They absolutely deserve more than just a passing glance.

~Liza
 
Ottaviani, I have been thinking about your post, and I have a few questions.

What about my post foretells the end of life as we know it? Having a friendship with a priest? Hoping that priests participate in the lives of their flock?

What is the difference between reverence and respect? I respect the ordained, and I show reverence to the Eucharist. Are you suggesting something different?

Finally, just how old are you? Unless you are at least 70, you have no adult experience of the way things were in the fifties and sixties.
And how old are YOU, and where did you learn your arithmetic?

I was born in 1948, which makes me 61, thank you, not “AT LEAST SEVENTY” (!), and I remember very clearly the fifties and the sixties. In fact, I was at university in the Sixties! If you count from 1948 to 1970, which was the year I graduated, you will discover that I was in fact 22 when I graduated, which is PLENTY old enough to “remember the fifties and sixties.”

Now that we have the arithmetic out of the way, may I say that those of us who were born in the Forties and Fifties were generally speaking trained by parents who were born in the Twenties and Thirties, when manners were still taught and enforced. My Southern granny was born in the 1800s and there were still Confederate veterans alive when her oldest son was young. She taught Mama, and Mama taught me, how to behave in polite society. Even my youngest sister, who was born in 1958, was taught to be polite and respectful in the old fashioned way, and so were her children (born in 1982, 1986 and 1990).

If you were born in the 1980s, which I suspect you were, perhaps you should talk to the 90% of our generation who were hard-working, blue-collar adults who still rise in respect for adults, bow to the Crucifix as it passes, and would not shame our parents if we were introduced to the Queen.
 
If you were born in the 1980s, which I suspect you were, perhaps you should talk to the 90% of our generation who were hard-working, blue-collar adults who still rise in respect for adults, bow to the Crucifix as it passes, and would not shame our parents if we were introduced to the Queen.
Sorry, wrong generation. But, I do have a child born in the eighties. See, I am of the same generation as you. Apparently neither of us is good at this age guessing thing.

I very carefully performed my math, and posted what I meant to post (although I was going to say ‘65 or 70’). I included “adult experience” in my post to differentiate from childhood remembrances versus participation in the life of the church as an adult.

I am not impolite. I show respect to priests.
 
So - if you were in the White House Press Corp and Barack Obama walked in the room, would you stand up with the rest of them?
You bet! Before a briefing we are all sitting there *waiting *for him to arrive, so that we can stand and get the thing started. Totally different set of circumstances.
Standing up for a priest is not undue respect - it is exactly the respect they deserve. And who is talking about “bow and scrape”? You make it sound as if we are talking about groveling at his feet! Would you kiss the ring of a Bishop? Or do you feel he doesn’t deserve it, or that such an expression is over the top?
There is nothing intrinsically wrong with kissing a Bishop’s ring. I have a problem with the idea that all life stops when a priest enters the room. If he enters to teach a class or whatever, I could possibly see it. If he just slips in the back to observe, let him be. And, yes, the dear old Irish nuns in grade school bowed and scraped.
These are not just regular guys, they are far more - they are the men who bring Christ to us. They are the men who are the Apostles of Christ. They absolutely deserve more than just a passing glance.
I understand what you are saying, but I believe that , in the past few decades, priests have become increasingly isolated and disconnected from their flocks. Sometimes, they do, indeed, need to be treated like regular guys. Respectfully, of course.
 
Ottaviani, I have been thinking about your post, and I have a few questions.

What about my post foretells the end of life as we know it? Having a friendship with a priest? Hoping that priests participate in the lives of their flock?

What is the difference between reverence and respect? I respect the ordained, and I show reverence to the Eucharist. Are you suggesting something different?

Finally, just how old are you? Unless you are at least 70, you have no adult experience of the way things were in the fifties and sixties.
You’re spinning your questions. My post was in regard to your argument that we should not treat priests with reverence. Not whether we should let priests “participate in the lives of their flocks”

the logic here is quite easy. Priests require our reverence, now more than ever. When we fail to be reverent towards our priests, we are in effect devaluing the priesthood. Many newer priests want to be “hip” and “cool” ----those are distinctions made by man and not God. Can you see where that’s leading?

Secondly, if you think that our culture hasn’t degenerated in the past 50 years, you must be willfully ignorant. My age is irrelevant, and frankly none of your concern.
 
You’re spinning your questions. My post was in regard to your argument that we should not treat priests with reverence. Not whether we should let priests “participate in the lives of their flocks”
Okay. Here is Merriam Websters definition of reverence.

1**:** honor or respect felt or shown : deference ; especially : profound adoring awed respect

I am saying that I agree with the respect part but not the “profound adoring awed respect” Perhaps we can agree that awe and adoration are overdoing it a little?
the logic here is quite easy. Priests require our reverence, now more than ever. When we fail to be reverent towards our priests, we are in effect devaluing the priesthood. Many newer priests want to be “hip” and “cool” ----those are distinctions made by man and not God. Can you see where that’s leading?
My actions do not devalue the priesthood.
Secondly, if you think that our culture hasn’t degenerated in the past 50 years, you must be willfully ignorant. My age is irrelevant, and frankly none of your concern.
Oh, I agree. Since men stopped wearing hats (felt fedoras) and women stopped wearing gloves to go downtown, life has been going downhill.

Actually, the present decline started with the Episcopal Church approving the use of artificial birth control. That lead to adultery, which lead to divorce, which lead to abortion, which lead to …
 
Sorry, wrong generation. But, I do have a child born in the eighties. See, I am of the same generation as you. Apparently neither of us is good at this age guessing thing.

I very carefully performed my math, and posted what I meant to post (although I was going to say ‘65 or 70’). I included “adult experience” in my post to differentiate from childhood remembrances versus participation in the life of the church as an adult.

I am not impolite. I show respect to priests.
So are you a hippie, then? 🙂

And why Adult Experience, when most of us learned our manners as young people?
 
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