When a priest is laicized: Vatican Document

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I have had friends that have been laicized, and the document is the same regardless of the circumstances. For those that are interested:

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Wow! How many of these are granted, and how frequently, that the holy father keeps a stack of English-language boiler-plate handy? 😮
 
There have been 25,000 in the US alone (estimate as the real figure is hidden). The men say it takes 7-9 months; a process streamlined by Benedict XVI who made it less complicated then the 5-10 years he had inherited as a process.
 
Wow!..Wow!

You know men come onto CAF and start threads about what it is like to be a laicized priest. In other words they will literally ask what it is like just to be a priest until they find a wife. They’ll literally ask if this is a viable plan.

Thanks for posting this. I hope it stays up…The truth will set you free!
 
How closely these restrictions are followed everywhere I’m not sure.

The former rector of a cathedral parish I’m familiar with requested laicization and is now the catechetical coordinator for the same parish.
 
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(estimate as the real figure is hidden)
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The figure is not “hidden” it simply isn’t PUBLISHED!!

Such indiscretion would only lend authority to ill-willed speculators and detractors.

@Gabika50 why do you think the figure should be published? Is there a need justifying such publication?
 
If anything to see the percentage that have been laicized for marriage versus other issues. I believe we have a major breach in the hull of vocations. Although I am not sure how to solve it. adgloriam, do you see any reason it should remain hidden? Hiding things that need work in the church have not worked out too well lately.
 
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Regardless of whatever controversy is going on, and many issues, we should all make a decision to pray for these men.
 
Keep in mind this is the policy for men who are obedient to the Church.
There are other men who simply walked out the door, no 9 month waiting period, accepting no conditions at all.
In the decade after Vatican 2, there was a tidal wave of men, due to rapid changes in the Church and society. Some went through the process, others skipped it, often marrying outside the Church.

When a priest just goes rogue, I suppose the policy is to notify Rome, note on his baptism certificate, then try to keep him from teaching at the seminary or administration of a parish.

Since the vast majority of “Catholic” colleges are not obedient to the Vatican anyway, the Church can’t stop them from teaching theology there.
 
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If anything to see the percentage that have been laicized for marriage versus other issues. I believe we have a major breach in the hull of vocations.
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The priests I know, or know about, who got married all had other issues as well. Either personal issues, or involvement in causes contrary to the Faith. There could be exceptions, but this can’t really be measured. For instance, one man i knew left to get married, then was active in his parish. I would have then counted him as a Marriage Only leaver.
Then he suddenly became a priest in a denomination that supports abortion and same sex marriage.
So there was other stuff going on, that I didn’t know about.
 
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Always keep them in prayer; and the Church as she goes through this rough time…
 
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You know men come onto CAF and start threads about what it is like to be a laicized priest. In other words they will literally ask what it is like just to be a priest until they find a wife. They’ll literally ask if this is a viable plan.
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They got this unfortunate idea after watching the stampede of priests who left the Church to get married in the late 60s, 70s and 80s. I hope all those guys are happy seeing parishes close and the remaining faithful priests struggling with their workload today.
 
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Then he suddenly became a priest in a denomination that supports abortion and same sex marriage.
So there was other stuff going on, that I didn’t know about.
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Once you have rejected one teaching of the Church in a dramatic way, it’s pretty easy to reject a whole bunch of other stuff too.
 
A number of organizations have formed, made up partly or soley of former priests. They all state “Celibacy is the only reason we or they left the priesthood”!
They then point out, or even gloat over, parishes that closed because of this medieval bureaucratic requirement, causing priest shortage.
Okaaa…
But if you read the other public positions of these groups, it looks like they were written by CNN. They disagree with the Magisterium on lots of things. They disagree with the media on nothing.
 
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Theologically they do appear to have an axe to grind, and former laicized clergy are no following the terms of their laicization. Scandal, shame, and guilt all have one thing in common- they presume one cares of such things. Those groups kind of jab a finger in the eye of the church.
 
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Those groups kind of jab a finger in the eye of the church.
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I suppose my own life as a layman is so little reliant on prayer, so seldom active in spiritual and corporal works of Mercy, so desperate for acceptance by others, I kinda jab a finger in the eye, too.
Let’s not allow me our necessary critique of certain harmful structures to take our minds off our own conversion.

Prayers!
 
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do you see any reason it should remain hidden?
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It’s not hidden.

Because the number is published by deriving from the yearly catholic directory (el anuario).

So it’s entirely public (in the majority of countries - if not all). And I have only seen that number cited by voyeuristic detractors (if they can’t be bothered to do basic math on publicly available data, they can’t accuse the church of hiding anything.)

Thus, the church isn’t hiding anything, and the phrasing in the OP is slanderous of the church by falsely imparting both intention and deed.

@jack63 @Tis_Bearself @commenter
 
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Sometimes men who would consider the priesthood don’t even know what questions to ask.

…Like everything about being laicized…
 
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