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Got two Questions as Eastern catholics.
  1. The Latin Church does not commune children. However if our Children attend a latin parish are they allowed to commune, or when in Rome do as Rome? (Pretty Sure I know the answer to the first one)
  2. Since the Latin church uses Lay Ministers to hand out the blood, as this is not within eastern Catholic Tradition are we allowed to just recieve the Body from the Priest, and not the blood, in the tradition latin style? or by Refusing the Blood are we committing pride and disobedience?
Thanks in advance.

Gloria Patri, Et Filio, Et Spiritus Sancto.

Joshua
 
coptsoldier said:
Got two Questions as Eastern catholics.
  1. The Latin Church does not commune children. However if our Children attend a latin parish are they allowed to commune, or when in Rome do as Rome? (Pretty Sure I know the answer to the first one)
  2. Since the Latin church uses Lay Ministers to hand out the blood, as this is not within eastern Catholic Tradition are we allowed to just recieve the Body from the Priest, and not the blood, in the tradition latin style? or by Refusing the Blood are we committing pride and disobedience?
Thanks in advance.

Gloria Patri, Et Filio, Et Spiritus Sancto.

Joshua
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Eastern Catholics that received Holy Mysteries of Baptism, Chrismation, and Eucharist as infants, have the right to receive Holy Eucharist in a Latin Catholic church, even as infants, in such as way that does not set a poor example to Latin Catholics. Normally a priest will give the Eucharist in an Eastern Catholic Church.Each Catholic church sui iurus must follow its own laws to preserve the liturgical tradition, however, also respecting that of visitors. For example Latin Catholic infants that have not received first Communion, are not communed in an eastern Catholic church, even though their own faithful are. Some eastern Catholic canons are below. Notice that the eastern bishops have the power to allow others besides the priest (and sometimes a deacon) to distribute Holy Eucharist.

CCEO Canon 709
  1. The priest distributes the Divine Eucharist or if the particular law of his own Church sui iuris establishes it, also the deacon.
  2. The synod of bishops of the patriarchal Church or the council of hierarchs is free to establish appropriate norms, according to which other Christian faithful can distribute the Divine Eucharist.
The Byzantine (USA) particular law does allow, per the following:

** Byzantine Canon 709 §2

** §l. In cases of true necessity, deacons may distribute the Divine Eucharist.

§2. In the same cases, even minor clerics and members of the laity can be designated to distribute the Divine Eucharist.
1o. A parish may have one person designated for this purpose plus another for each 75 communicants at the Liturgy.
Code: 
  2o.  The metropolitan Liturgical Commission is to prepare a program of  training that includes theological and spiritual formation, the  selection process for candidates and a practicum.

  3o.  Those persons may take communion to those who, by reason of illness,  infirmity or age, cannot attend the Divine Liturgy regularly.

  4o.  If any priest or deacon is present at the Liturgy, in any capacity  whatever, he is to make himself known to the principal celebrant and  shall distribute the divine Eucharist, vested insofar as possible, and  taking precedence over any minor cleric or lay person present.
CCEO Canon 671
  1. Catholic ministers licitly administer the sacraments only to Catholic Christian faithful, who, likewise, licitly receive the sacraments only from Catholic ministers.
  2. If necessity requires it or genuine spiritual advantage suggests it and provided that the danger of error or indifferentism is avoided, it is permitted for Catholic Christian faithful, for whom it is physically or morally impossible to approach a Catholic minister, to receive the sacraments of penance, the Eucharist and anointing of the sick from non-Catholic ministers, in whose Churches these sacraments are valid.
  3. Likewise Catholic ministers licitly administer the sacraments of penance, the Eucharist and anointing of the sick to Christian faithful of Eastern Churches, who do not have full communion with the Catholic Church, if they ask for them on their own and are properly disposed. This holds also for the Christian faithful of other Churches, who according to the judgment of the Apostolic See, are in the same condition as the Eastern Churches as far as the sacraments are concerned.
  4. If there is a danger of death or another matter of serious necessity in the judgment of the eparchial bishop, the synod of bishops of the patriarchal Church or the council of hierarchs, Catholic ministers licitly administer the same sacraments also to other Christians not having full communion with the Catholic Church, who cannot approach the ministers of their own ecclesial communities and who request them on their own, provided they manifest a faith consonant with that of the Catholic Church concerning these sacraments and are rightly disposed.
  5. For the cases in 2, 3 and 4, norms of particular law are to be enacted only after consultation with at least the local competent authority of the non-Catholic Church or ecclesial community concerned.
 
coptsoldier said:
Got two Questions as Eastern catholics.
  1. The Latin Church does not commune children. However if our Children attend a latin parish are they allowed to commune, or when in Rome do as Rome? (Pretty Sure I know the answer to the first one)
  2. Since the Latin church uses Lay Ministers to hand out the blood, as this is not within eastern Catholic Tradition are we allowed to just recieve the Body from the Priest, and not the blood, in the tradition latin style? or by Refusing the Blood are we committing pride and disobedience?
Thanks in advance.

Gloria Patri, Et Filio, Et Spiritus Sancto.

Joshua
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Reception of the Blood of Christ is never mandatory in the Roman Church, excepting when distribution is via intinction.

And yes, the Romans do allow children to receive if they are already communicants. You need to inform the celebrant before liturgy, and many ROman priests are ignorant of the canons, and others of the eastern churches, so it’s not always going to be permitted by the priest, but the canons allow for it.
 
coptsoldier said:
Got two Questions as Eastern catholics.
  1. The Latin Church does not commune children. However if our Children attend a latin parish are they allowed to commune, or when in Rome do as Rome? (Pretty Sure I know the answer to the first one)
  2. Since the Latin church uses Lay Ministers to hand out the blood, as this is not within eastern Catholic Tradition are we allowed to just recieve the Body from the Priest, and not the blood, in the tradition latin style? or by Refusing the Blood are we committing pride and disobedience?
Thanks in advance.

Gloria Patri, Et Filio, Et Spiritus Sancto.

Joshua
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Dear brother Coptsoldier,

The doctrine of concomitance is accepted by many Churches, but as far as I know it is not part of the Coptic Tradition (not that the Coptic Tradition explicitly denies it, but objects to it as a justification for denying the Chalice to the Christian).

Do according to your conscience. What is more important to you – receiving the most holy Blood, or not receiving it because it comes from a lay extraordinary minister?

I am not sure if it is appropriate, but if the lay extraordinary minister is an issue, maybe you can make arrangements with the priest beforehand to receive the Body and Blood from him directly, or perhaps to intinct it before you receive. Explain to him you are a new Catholic coming from the Coptic Orthodox Church and you feel you cannot conscionably receive the Blood from a lay extraordinary minister at this time (if that is the case).

Personally, I always receive from the Chalice if it is available at a Latin Church.

Btw, though you may see lay ministers of the Eucharist often in a Latin Catholic church, they are formally understood to be extraordinary (the priest is the ordinary minister of the Eucharist). They were originally introduced because of the shortage of priests, not for the purpose of blurring the line between priesthood and laity (as some detractors like to suggest). Ideally, if there are not too many people at a Mass, there should not be any lay extraordinary ministers. Or if there are enough priests or deacons available, there should also not be any lay extraordinary ministers. I think some Latin parishes are lax on the matter. But they are not and should not be normative according to the canons of the Latin Church.

Blessings,
Marduk
coptsoldier said:
  1. Since the Latin church uses Lay Ministers to hand out the blood, as this is not within eastern Catholic Tradition are we allowed to just recieve the Body from the Priest, and not the blood, in the tradition latin style? or by Refusing the Blood are we committing pride and disobedience?
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