When democracy becomes infectious

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Seems like the democratic bug is really catching on across Iraq. It doesn’t take much to get the Kurds and most Shias to the polling stations, but judging by the recent frenzy, there will be crowds going to the constitutional referendum right across the country. The recalcitrant Sunnis have been doing most of the leg work to catch up:

Sheik Mahmoud al-Sumaidaie, of the influential Sunni Association of Muslim Scholars, told worshippers at Baghdad’s Umm al-Qura mosque to register for the upcoming votes because "we are in need to your voice to say ‘yes’ for the constitution or 'no.'According to another report

The general conference of Sunnis in Iraq, which includes “the Sunni Mortmain”, “the Association of Muslim Scholars”, “the Iraqi Islamic Party”, and a group of Sunni parties and organizations, was held in Baghdad and has urged all Arab Sunnis to participate in the coming elections.

In his speech before hundreds of attendees, Ahmed Abdel Ghafur Al Samera’i said, “Participating in the plebiscite on the constitution is a prescribed duty for all Sunnis.”

He added, “I swear to Allah that the greatest privilege, through which you gain the love of Allah, is your efforts in participating in the coming elections and gathering the Sunnis, hoping that Allah would alleviate their suffering.”

Alaa Maki, member of the political bureau in the “Iraqi Islamic Party”, has confirmed, “The party has suggested the provision of cities of Sunni majority with additional lists, so that everyone would be able to register their information in the electors and plebiscite on the permanent constitution records.”
One of the interesting aspects of the new “no Sunni left behind” campaign is its overtly religious trappings. At Iraq the Model you can check out the flier being distributed by the Islamic Party, convincing Sunnis that voting is a religious duty, supported by Koran and religious tradition. What a difference a few months can make.

Even the dreaded Fallujah is catching on:

Falluja’s clerics council advised the Imams of the mosques and the people not to miss this historical chance and to take part in it through the four centers opened there. Community leaders and clerics organized lectures to educate the people about the importance of their participation and that the constitution is for the interests of all Iraqis, which will decide their identities."
As this report explains:

In Fallujah, considered one of the major hotbed of Iraqi insurgency, clerics of mosques called on the residents in the city to participate in the constitution referendum scheduled to be held in mid October.

They urged the residents through loudspeakers to participate and say “no” to those who want to isolate them from the political process.

The Iraqi Islamic Party, the largest Sunni party, also distributed handouts calling on the people to participate the referendum. Many of the residents showed support and desire to participate.

Four registration centers have now been open in Fallujah, and apparently they’re doing great business.

Most bizarrely, both the main Sunni insurgent group, Ansar Al Sunna, as well as Shia radical Muqtada al Sadr, have been calling on supporters to register to vote in the constitution referendum:

[One] statement issued by six of the seven Ansar groups promised that there will not be attacks against Americans on the day of the referendum, ‘to protect those who go to vote.’ ‘Voting is a jihad of words and is no different from the jihad of the sword,’ the statement said. ‘There are no objections to participation in the referendum to show the world our strength and to defeat federalism’.chrenkoff.blogspot.com/2005/08/when-democracy-becomes-infectious.html
 
Hitler, Stalin and Napoleon the Third all had referenda with huge turnouts. This does not indicate democracy.
 
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Matt25:
Hitler, Stalin and Napoleon the Third all had referenda with huge turnouts. This does not indicate democracy.
Now your against people voting?

Yes, voting is part of a democracy. Hitler was elected into office in a democracy, he then turned it into a fascist state.

But it was not fascist at least during the early votes. But no one is pointing to Iraq and saying the election is rigged. Unless you are.
 
You did not mention elections you mentioned a referendum. Stalin had a referendum on the 1936 Constitution. Hitler had them on the re-militarisation of the Rhineland and the Anschluss with Austria. Napoleon III had one to confirm his Coup d’etat od 1851. Plebiscites with simple yes/no answers can be tools for either democracies or tyrannies. They are value neutral. A high turnout in a referendum can be a bad thing depending on the circumstances.
 
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Matt25:
You did not mention elections you mentioned a referendum. Stalin had a referendum on the 1936 Constitution. Hitler had them on the re-militarisation of the Rhineland and the Anschluss with Austria. Napoleon III had one to confirm his Coup d’etat od 1851. Plebiscites with simple yes/no answers can be tools for either democracies or tyrannies. They are value neutral. A high turnout in a referendum can be a bad thing depending on the circumstances.
Iraq is having elections. You against that?
 
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Matt25:
No. What has that to do with the referendum you started talking about?
The articles in the original post are about the upcoming elections in Iraq.
 
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gilliam:
The articles in the original post are about the upcoming elections in Iraq.
No they are about the referendum on the constitution
judging by the recent frenzy, there will be crowds going to the constitutional referendum right across the country.
Ahmed Abdel Ghafur Al Samera’i said, “Participating in the plebiscite on the constitution is a prescribed duty for all Sunnis.”
he main Sunni insurgent group, Ansar Al Sunna, as well as Shia radical Muqtada al Sadr, have been calling on supporters to register to vote in the constitution referendum:
 
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Matt25:
Hitler, Stalin and Napoleon the Third all had referenda with huge turnouts. This does not indicate democracy.
Comparing the elections of those dictators to the elections in Iraq is like calling a tricycle a space vehicle. It’s nonsensical in the extreme. Vote wrong or against Hitler, Stalin and Napoleon and you ended up dead. 8 million Iraqis voted a few months ago with hundreds of candidates on the ballot to chose from instead of just one:)
 
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gilliam:
OK, so you are against the referendum then.
No I’m not. I’m against the suggestion that people voting in a referendum automatically indicates the existence of a Democracy. Many democracies never have referenda and many autocracies often do. A referendum in and of itself is a value neutral tool.
 
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thestickman:
Comparing the elections of those dictators to the elections in Iraq is like calling a tricycle a space vehicle. It’s nonsensical in the extreme. Vote wrong or against Hitler, Stalin and Napoleon and you ended up dead. 8 million Iraqis voted a few months ago with hundreds of candidates on the ballot to chose from instead of just one:)
I did not compare elections. I dealt with referenda or plebiscites. There the choice is always only yes/no. The proposed Iraqi referendum on the constitution will be just such an exercise. No more, no less. Incidentally many thousands did vote no in all the plebiscites I referred to.
 
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