When Did Abuses Begin

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HagiaSophia:
How did the abuses get started?

Selected quotes from the past on specific problems raised in Redemptionis Sacramentum

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The title brought an instant thought to my mind. St. Paul himself addresses “Liturgical” abuses in Corinth.
 
Br. Rich SFO:
The title brought an instant thought to my mind. St. Paul himself addresses “Liturgical” abuses in Corinth.
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Isn’t it Isaiah who says “there is nothing new on the face of the earth”? 😃
 
Cant name the date they began…but from a reading of Goodbye Goodmen its perfectly cleaar as to the date the Church had the opportunity to acutally halt the majority of it…but failed to do so.
 
There’s always been liturgical abuses in the Church.

Go do some research about the history of medieval drama and you’ll learn how the clergy used to arrange for burlesque during certain feast days in the churches.

During Mass or Office, clergy (mostly subdeacons and those below them) would mock the ceremonies by wearing masks, dressing as women, dragging donkeys into Church while they (clergy and congregation) brayed obnoxiously, play dice at the altar, eat black pudding, burn rubber shoe soles in the censers (instead of incencse), etc.

In Luther’s day the priests, after consecrating the host, and in mockery of transubstantiation would place the Body back on the patents and chant: “Bread thou art, and bread thou wilt remain!”

I could go on, but there’s nothing new about liturgical abuse.
 
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HagiaSophia:
How did the abuses get started?

Selected quotes from the past on specific problems raised in Redemptionis Sacramentum

adoremus.org/0704LiturgicalAbuses.html
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Abuses have been constant, but the form they take today are in my opinion at least, far more severe. But that said, some of the Pre Vatican II abuses were the priest saying the mass at a speed where the latin became blurred, the laity in some cases not being connected to what was taking place in the sancutuary untill communion, much less participating in the parts of the mass that they could have participated in(the altar boy responses). That said, the liturgical "reforms" of the 60s, as someone stated, was the equivlent of using a sledgehammer to crack open a peanut.
 
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DominvsVobiscvm:
Go do some research about the history of medieval drama and you’ll learn …
…burn rubber shoe soles in the censers (instead of incencse)
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They had rubber shoes during the medieval period? I always thought rubber was a new world plant and it wasn’t even introduced into Europe until the renaissance.
 
My source for this information on Medieval Liturgical Abuse was Sheldon Cheny’s masterful The Theatre: Three Thousand Years of Drama, Acting and Stagecraft.

Apparently, Mr. Cheny goofed about the “rubber” part. That having been said, shoes were indeed burned. I will document this in a new thread.
 
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