When did philosophy go bad?

[misericordie]

Tanais:

In light of all these horribly erroroneous philosophies in the modenr world, the question comes, where do all of them come from? When did we forget Thomas and start on the path to Freud, Kant, and Nietsche? Personally i believe it all stems back to the Reformation, because then faith became divorced from reason, whereas Thomas united the two. It is also when the rebellion against any authority other than ourselves started. I think Marcus Grodi captures it well in his book, How Firm A Foundation. In it a priest explains the levels of authority, 1st being the Magisterium, the bishops all united together under the Pope, then Sacred Tradtiion, then Sacred Scripture, then the Holy Spirit in the individual and then ouselves. We said that once the first 2 were eliminated by Luther, the others naturally fall with it until eventual we are with ourselves, we become the dictators of what is real or not.Anyhow, that is my own personal opinion, anyone else want to explain how we got to Modernism and Nihilism?

answer your question: When some liberals began to push Saint Thomas Aquinas to the side in violation of the new code of canon law and the V.II documents. smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/7/7_2_101.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/7/7_9_1.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/1048v.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/7/7_9_2.gif smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/7/7_6_1.gif

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

In light of all these horribly erroroneous philosophies in the modenr world, the question comes, where do all of them come from? When did we forget Thomas and start on the path to Freud, Kant, and Nietsche? Personally i believe it all stems back to the Reformation, because then faith became divorced from reason, whereas Thomas united the two.

It would be better history to blame Duns Scotus and his followers - Luther was the inheritor of a tradition in philosophy which separated the two & sometimes opposed them. People need to stop blaming the Reformers for everything, & face up to the fact that a lot of what is seen as showing they are ghastly was inherited by them.​

It is also when the rebellion against any authority other than ourselves started.

Wrong - that was on the go long before the Reformation, before the 1450s.​

I think Marcus Grodi captures it well in his book, How Firm A Foundation. In it a priest explains the levels of authority, 1st being the Magisterium, the bishops all united together under the Pope, then Sacred Tradtiion, then Sacred Scripture, then the Holy Spirit in the individual and then ouselves. We said that once the first 2 were eliminated by Luther, the others naturally fall with it until eventual we are with ourselves, we become the dictators of what is real or not.Anyhow, that is my own personal opinion, anyone else want to explain how we got to Modernism and Nihilism?

I know this thread is almost three years old - however, it is a great mistake to think that philosophical investigation can be curbed by Church authority. That would imply that is a poor relation of theology, or even a branch of theology - but it us completely distinct from theology, and can’t be treated as what it is not. A position in philosophy may or may not suit the Church - that is irrelevant to whether it is sound as philosophy. If it does cause the Church inconvenience, banning it is no disproof of it; Catholics can’t be stopped from thinking, & if a position in philosophy is deemed unCatholic, it should be met with reason; not with a display of force.​

St. Thomas used reason against those he thought wrong - he didn’t set the Inquisition or the Papacy or some other bishop on them. Those who would use Church authority & not reason to vindicate Thomism or refute philosophies deemed false make him into an orthodoxy, &, even worse (if possible) honour him with words while rejecting his example in fact. Coercion is the weapon of the bully & the coward - not of the philosopher. He is in any case not the whole of Catholic philosophy & theology - nor would he have claimed to be. Unlike so many who claim to honour him, he was not afraid to draw upon Muslims, Jews, heretics, & unbelievers.

So, if philosophies are horrible - show how they are. Setting the Magisterium on them won’t do that.